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Yeah, I think the thing which I've taken away from it is a sense of love and
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fellowship between these palace servants who have given up a conventional life
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to serve the emperor and the emperor himself. Um,
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and it's, they've, they've been the person who dresses him,
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the person who guards him, that kind of thing,
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the person who writes his letters, um, and it's, they've,
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they've made this own little community and a hu huge amount of humor in it as
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well, because you can get the perspective,
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even though it's all from Cliff's point of view,
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you do understand their perspective on him because he's self aware enough to
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know when they're sort of manipulating him into a,
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yet more ridiculous outfit for some ceremony or something. Yeah,
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that's absolutely lovely. So, uh, you've answered the question as your,
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in this one, you were character led, but do you swap your, um,
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technique depending on what sort of genre you've decided to write in,
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in your extended world? Would you, in another one, for example,
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plotted out more entirely.
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To a certain degree in general, I'm a character led writer. And, um,
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even with like the Starkeys E pie and the greening and dark books are more plot
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driven. Um, but even there, I tend to kind of focus on the character more.
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I tend to be a writer into, I write into the dark, um, which is to say, I,
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I I'm an exploratory writer. Um, as I said,
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I usually know kind of where I want the story to end,
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and I know how it fits into my overarching kind of, uh, world building,
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but I leave a lot of it up to, to just figuring it out as I go along.
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And I find that I find that very fun. I enjoy that process. Um, yes,
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I would say I'm normal character, character led.
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So do you, I mean, the,
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arguably the sort of very special thing about fantasy and science fiction is
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that you do your own well world building though, of course,
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in historical fiction, you're also building a world in a sense, but anyway,
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it's clearly more of a well building task. Do you have any, um,
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tips for people who are wanting to write their own fantasy, um,
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how to organize or approach well building?
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Well, I wouldn't say I'm very organized about it.
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People are forever asking me if I have maps and things like that.
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And I'm kind of like, well, no,
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I have sort of sketches that I've done on the back of a piece of an envelope
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kind of thing. I'm not, I'm not very organized. Um,
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I don't have a binder of all the useful measurements and stuff like that, which,
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uh, I probably could do with, um,
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it's one of those things I keep thinking I should go back and like make an
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actual, make more notes for myself. I keep a lot of it in my head,
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but from that point of view, one thing I do find is, as I said,
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I try and draw from like less obvious sources.
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And for me that's often, um, I read a lot of,
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of sort of micros histories,
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I guess you could say about specific things and try and build out from there.
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That's one element. So, you know, you read a history of oh,
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garden design or costumes, or, um,
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I dunno, just looking at my bookshelves here, even something like, um,
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top or, you know, the history of the teapots or something like that. And like,
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they sound very silly, but, and very, very, very precise. But at the same time,
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if you kind of think about, well, where did they come from? Who builds those?
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You know, give your characters slightly different things to do,
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cuz that's more fun too. Like, you know, like some, you know,
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where's the cloth coming from? Where is the food coming from?
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Where's the water coming? How is it being cleaned or not cleaned? You know,
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what effects does that have? Where's the waste going? I once, um,
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<laugh> once went to the sewer museum in Paris and that is ever after made me
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question this, this thing about like, where is the water purification system?
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How is that working? You know, that could be working by magic.
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That's how it's working on Zuni than, um, in other places it's, it's not,
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you know, it's much more traditional, like, uh, you know, um,
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sort of refu and rubbish rubbish, but that matters. So that's one element I do.
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And the other part that I find is if I've made a mistake or something that
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seemed like, you know, if you're like, oh, in that book, I said this.
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And then in this book I said the other thing, and they,
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those seem to directly contradict each other. And you know,
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if it's a work in progress,
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the logical thing is to fix the one that's a work in progress.
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But I often find that if you stop and say to yourself, no, wait a moment.
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How can those both be true? You know, what can I do to make those both work?
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Is that because person a misunderstood it or person B
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understands it better or there's something bigger that those are both kind of
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elements of, or, you know, like that kind of thing.
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I find that adds a real depth and nuance to the world because like,
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if I I'm one of those people that I find if I do too much, like,
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um, too much like front of brain, world building,
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it becomes a little too smooth and there's not like a lot of the nooks and
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crannies in it for me.
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Whereas I find if you do kind of the back end world building,
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as you go and try and let it grow out
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logically out of kind of something unusual that it becomes much richer.
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So for me, that's something I enjoy and I try really hard to visualize, um,
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places. I'm not always great at that. I'm better with, um, gardens.
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That's a kind of a hobby of mine gardening. And so I really think about the,
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the like ecology of a place and what that might feel like and look up
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that kind of stuff. So I guess for world building, if you make a mistake,
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it can be an opportunity, um, to make it much richer.
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Yeah. Oh, that's really interesting.
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I haven't heard anyone say it like that actually. Um,
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so how was your journey to publishing? What, what route have you taken?
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Well, I decided, um,
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decided I was going to do kind of the indie publishing side largely because I
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wanted to write these interconnected stories and I wanted to be in control of
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what I was writing and when,
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and when I kind of really became serious about writing was when that it was just
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after the kind of first flush of that in the kind of, you know,
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2012 was really when it kind of started to really pick up.
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And I had a friend who was much more, um,
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aware of how self-publishing and indie publishing was going.
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And we'd spend a lot of time talking about it at that point.
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And I thought to myself, because I wasn't writing conventional stories,
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cuz I like these ones that are like around the corners of the epic quest and
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things like that, that I thought, you know,
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that's really something I want to do.
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I don't want somebody to tell me that that's not like a going to sell because
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it's not a conventional story, you know? And, um,
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which is a real concern cuz of course they're trying to,
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there are businesses and they're trying to make money back as well.
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Whereas if I was willing to do it myself, I could, you know,
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if I have something that nobody likes because it's a very strange book,
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then that's okay, that's mine. So for me it was that. And then I've just spent,
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you know,
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I probably spent the last six or seven years working on building up my, um,
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my works. And um, for me,
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what I did was I,
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I kind of decided to take the approach that my stories are interconnected and my
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style is fairly consistent. Um, my, or I guess my, my voice,
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my authorial voice is fairly consistent across, across my books,
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even when they're in somewhat different genres. And I thought to myself,
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you know, if, if somebody likes one of my books,
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they're largely gonna like most of them or all of them,
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they're gonna go and read the other ones.
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And so my general plan was basically to just keep writing them until I got to
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some sort of hopefully, um,
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level where there were enough that and enough readers coming in that,
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um, people would be, you know,
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enjoying finding the others and that's worked, I am going,
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full-time writing this week. So I'm pretty pleased with that. Thank you.
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So I basically.
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So how do you, um, manage with the editing and all that kind of stuff?
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Have you got a, a team of beta readers behind, you know.
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I'm a one, one reader kind of person? Um,
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I like standing, I do have,
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I do have a couple people that other author friends, particularly, um,
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and we kind of trade reading and talking about plots and,
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and kind of craft level things. And then I, um,
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have somebody to do kind of copy editing of some form once we
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get to that point. Yeah.
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I do layout in the cover design myself <laugh> so I've been working on that and
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um, that's something I may well outsource in future,
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but I enjoy it and I enjoy the, the kind of, that process of it too. So yeah.
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So for me, um, yeah, so that's how I do it basically.
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So what next for you? Are you, um,
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remaining in your extensive world? Are you, where are you going?
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I am remaining in my.
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Somewhere else.
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Um, well actually I'm writing a,
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I've been working on a sequel to the hands of the emperor for the last couple of
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years. And this is, I'm kind of moving to focusing on that, um, over the summer.
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So I'm hoping that will be out in probably late October, early November is,
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is the goal with that one. It's gonna be another big honking book.
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So I'm not giving an exact date until it's a little closer to completion. It's,
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it's more than halfway done right now, but, um, you never know the,
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the kind of the final throws every once in a while you write something and you
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realize the story's gone way off to a different direction,
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that's much better and you have to throw out a whole bunch of it in order to
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make that work. So that could still happen. And, um, so I'm working on that.
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The re the book I just had coming out, come out last week is called, uh,
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the red outable Prama pool, which is, um, kind of the second in a,
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in a new series, um, about the red company.
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And I'll be working on that.
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And those should be another greening and dart later this year,
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beginning of next year as well. So keep on going with those ones.
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The greening and dart series is at six,
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and I think they'll probably be 12 by the end time that that one's done.
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So just sort of poke along with those. I'm one of the,
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I don't like writing the same character point of view back to back.
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I find it much better to switch to a new character. And so I tend to,
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to skip around a little bit like that.
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Well, put a link to your, uh, website in the show notes,
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so people can come and find all these books and, uh,
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decide which one they're going to start with. So, um,
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star GZ pie for people who don't know is actually a real dish that you would
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find a traditional dish from. I think Cornal, uh, in fact, and it's, um,
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a pie where it is the pastry is laid.
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So the fish and head and tail poke out as though it's sort of breaking through
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from the crust. So in our podcast,
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we always end up with where in all the fantasy worlds is the best place for
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something. And I thought I would ask you, um,
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for where in all the fantasy worlds that you've seen on television and films or
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read about in books,
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where do you think has the best sort of speciality dishes that, uh,
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you know, you'd like to sample.
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Well, surely we all want to eat the meal that Billbo produces for the,
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for the dwarves, right? I I've made CD cake as a result of that particular, um,
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encounter that one's always been the one that, those stories and, um,
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some of the ones in the Narnia books too, to be honest,
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I've always loved the food descriptions in, in both of those, those books.
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Otherwise, I don't know, like,
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I feel like in some ways those are really high points in terms of food
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descriptions. Um, you know, it's,
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it's like that meal that Shasta gets given in the horse and his
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boy, um, is, you know, like that he is the first time he's ever had half of,
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you know, and like, you know,
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the description of the wine and all that kind of stuff, but yeah,
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and bill those thing, and then I've also Al you know, the,
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the picnic and the wind and the willows,
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those are the classic kind of British ones. And I, I don't know,
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I'm not sure that there's been a lot more that, that kind of peak over those.
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But, um, I,
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I was reflecting on this not long ago and thinking that I really needed to up
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my, um, food descriptions, something kind of work on that a little bit more,
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really have some sort of great feasts that are like,
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but not necessarily like spectacular banquets,
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but just really delightful dishes. Um.
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Yeah. And they can be used for comic effect as well. I, for me,
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the one I was going to pick is comes in the film galaxy quest.
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Have you ever seen that? It's one of my favorite films that.
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Is very funny one, the bit where they're all giving, where they're giving them,
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what are theoretically all their,
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like FA their regional specialties for the characters they are.
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That is such a funny movie. I really enjoy that. So I like this.
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For those of you hadn't seen it. What happens there is, uh,
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an alien culture has taken a television sci-fi series as being
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historical.
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So when the characters are taken by this culture to try and help them
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solve a sort of bad problem, they've got, they've built everything for real.
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And this is all very well for the human characters who are given, I know,
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burgers and French fries, whatever. Um, but poor old Alan Rickman, uh,
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his character, Dr. Lazarus is given this,
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this sort of soup tour of life bugs,
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which crawling out,
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and he's supposed to eat this because on the program that was supposed to be
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his, uh, his food. It's just a, and of course, nobody did.
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Sardon better than Alan Rickman, uh, much missed.
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Yeah. So that's my pick Victoria, thank you so much for, uh, joining us.
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And it's a delight to find somebody who has taken a lot of her inspirations from
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the inkling writers. And from, of course, we, uh,
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we also mentioned briefly Dorothy L Sayers,
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but you've said that she's another person who, that you've really enjoyed, um,
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reading on your route to your own writing.
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So it's been wonderful to meet you and thank you very much for joining us.
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Well, thank you very much. I thank you for having me. I'm,
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I'm delighted you enjoy the hands of the emperor and I hope, uh,
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a few of your readers do as well. And, uh, yeah,
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the inklings have been a huge part of my, of my formation as a, as a writer.
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And, um, in many ways I kind of keep reflecting back on them.
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Probably the green wing and dart ones are a little books are a little more
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obvious, especially as you get later on into the series,
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you'll see some much clearer kind of echoes of,
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of some of the CS Lewis and elements in particular, but overall,
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the questions that they raise and the, and
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the joy they have in description and in food and in characters,
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world building is something that I've always really, really admired.
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So thank you really enjoyed getting the chance to talk to you about this.
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Thank you very much.
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