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Welcome to myth makers.
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Myth makers is the podcast for fantasy fans and fantasy creatives
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brought to you by the Oxford center for fantasy.
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My name is Julia Golding. I'm the director of the center,
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but I also spend most of my life being an author writing in many different
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genres for all different age groups,
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but very often returning to the genre of fantasy.
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I've been deeply inspired by talking all my writing life.
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So it was a great excitement that I saw that, uh,
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Amazon prime were making a serious based on the second age of talking.
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Now, the Oxford center for fantasy runs, creative courses,
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and the students have kept together after the courses to, uh,
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keep us a group of creative, supporting each other,
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a sort of modern form of inklings.
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And to mark the arrival of the Amazon series,
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we had a first reaction gathering where we could share our views.
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So if you want to listen to what fellow fans were thinking,
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please listen on because what we've done in this is first part of it is
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I explain where the material in the series seems to depart from
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what you would find in the sort of canonical, you know, talking material.
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Uh,
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so if you have wondered about that is a very brief guide about the differences
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between what you can find in the silver really,
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and the appendices and the Amazon series,
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but then you can listen to the views exchanged on what we made of the series.
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And perhaps you can also add in your own comments at the end,
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if you agree with us, we complete our discussion with our star rating.
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So stay tuned to find out if we think it's a hit or a miss,
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thank you very much and enjoy our discussion.
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So.
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Um,
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welcome everybody to the early reaction to the rings of power
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series based on, um, talking's material.
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What I'm going to do is I'm going to give you a little introduction just to say
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what they're doing in the story that is based
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on the appends, uh,
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and the Soin and where it differs in case you're interested in what
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what's going on. Um, only briefly, not,
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not absolutely to deep nerd level. Um,
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I'm BA there's bound to be YouTube videos out there about that,
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but I just give you the broad brush strokes of the kind of decisions they're
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making, which I thought was really fascinating.
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And then I was going to ask you for your reactions about in,
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in three areas. So have a think about this.
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The first one is your reactions to the story, you know,
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did you enjoy watching it the second, uh,
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is your reaction to the performance of the actors
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embodying these characters? And the last one is the creative realization of it,
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the special effects, the looks, the music and so on.
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So have a think, um, hopefully people will disagree.
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We don't all want to say, oh yes, it was wonderful or no, it was terrible.
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So it'd be, don't worry if you don't agree with other people.
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Cause that's what we want. We want discussion about it. So first of all,
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just to give you a sort little bit of background, um,
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you probably all know that the rights for talking material are, you know,
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Byzantine. Um,
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so they're only allowed to do certain things.
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And as I understand it, um,
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they've sort of got rights to second age material talking's world
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is described in well it's four ages, really?
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So the first stage is from the creation of, well,
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I suppose creation comes even before the first stage, but there's a creation.
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Then there's the first stage,
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which is really dominated by the,
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the silver Maril the silver reels,
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which are a jewel made by the elves and the wars about that
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and the defeat of the big,
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bad of the Mor who's a character called Morgo.
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Then once his defeated, then there's the second age.
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And this is where, uh,
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the rings of power sit and coming up
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is the captain Sarah who's like
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taking over and he's now the big Badie.
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And this is the age when, um,
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sort of ELs men and walls are all living alongside each other.
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And that age,
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age completes with the battle that you see at the start
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of the Lord of the rings films,
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when the ring is cut from the hand of sour, okay.
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The third age, which is very long,
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we only see the end of it in Lord of the rings is the age,
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um,
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of the rise and fall of Goor really with the hobbits kind of establish
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establishing themselves in the Shire.
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And that age ends when the ring is destroyed and
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we are sorted living in the fourth age. So that's,
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that's the kind of outline. So they've got the middle bit,
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they've got well middle, but they got the second age of that. Um,
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so they've obviously made the decision to follow
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a composite cast in the same way as you do in fellowship with the ring,
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but they're, they're starting with go.
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And the main things where this series works with the book
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and differs from the book, hang around that character.
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So if you've watched the first two episodes, you'll see, go is,
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is realized as a warrior who,
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um, is fighting,
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is basically aware of the returning evil and trying to persuade others that it's
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coming back. So yes, in talking's material,
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collateral does start over in valor. She's really, really old,
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really, really old already by the second age, which are kind of,
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cause the actress is so beautiful and young, young looking,
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but she's one of the oldest people around at the time,
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she was one of four children of who,
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one of those is her brother who appears at the beginning of the series. Um,
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her brother FINRA, he dies in one of the hidden kingdoms of the elves.
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Elves had these hidden kingdoms.
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He dies in Agathon as do her other two brothers die in other
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battles. So she does how she has seen death. That's true.
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But in terms of talking story, she's not this warrior figure.
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She spends most of the first age in a place called Doria alongside
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this figure called Milian. Who's like a bit like Gander's,
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she's a sort of Aang jewel type. It's not, that's not the right word,
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but she's kind of semi, semi divine. She's not quite normally, um,
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Elvin or human or anything. Um,
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she's not really junior to Gil. Gillad,
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who's the high king in terms of the talking version of this.
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And so she's not the sort of swash baling warrior that's been realized she does
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fight,
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but her fight is more like a leader deciding where the armies go rather than,
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rather than that rather elegant snow troll, um, moment, which I loved,
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but you know, she's not kind of in the, in the book.
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Um,
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and she of course has her mental warfare of having one of the rings to keep evil
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at bay. So she is a fighter, but just not quite the lovely warrior that we see.
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Um,
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it's also not mentioned that she's under a curse or a doom because the reason
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the LS end up in middle earth is because it's like a,
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um, it's a, there's a,
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a fight over the silver reels and they leave to go and reclaim them,
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but there's some kin laying that goes on. And so they're under a, uh,
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a sort of doom where she can't go back to valor.
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So the element in the story where
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this is in, I think it's yeah, it's in the first episode.
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So hopefully everyone's seen that where they're said, oh, it's okay. You,
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you luck can go back to valor, actually goad.
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That would be really problematic for her. Cause she's still under this doom.
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And that is, that is another moment for that to be lifted. Um,
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and also they've missed out poor old Keller.
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Born's been cut cuz she actually meets him in the first stage
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and they they're in love and live very happily for centuries,
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not always together, but they're, they're an item, um,
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for centuries way before the series starts.
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But of course the story reason for getting rid of him is it's more exciting to
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see her as a free agent. Whereas if she's got like ke born kind of alongside it,
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you can see how that doesn't work. So is being cut.
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Um, so there, the big difference is there,
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when you look at the other stories,
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they're following the overall impression that yes,
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collateral is aware of the return of evil and warns against Sarah,
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that is correct. That's where they're sticking to the script.
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Um,
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the idea that the men feel they're sort of under the Elvin boots,
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kinda, maybe an interesting,
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but actually it's the IANS. If you wanna be technical,
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who kind of are a bit more like the colonizing force at this time and we haven't
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even reached the new Menor,
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but I suppose you could say some men would've felt that
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half it, the proto ops. Yes,
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of course the hops must have had some ancestors around,
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but very little is known about them,
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which I suppose is quite good for a storytelling point of view because they can
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just kind of do anything with them as long as they're not really super visible.
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Um,
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it seems right that they would be a nomadic culture and you can see the choice
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of having a conservatism,
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which you see in the hobbits when they're settled, even within the half foot,
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you've got the idea, you don't leave the trail. So there's,
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there's they stick together as a group. So yeah, that all seems to, to fit,
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um,
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invented is AIA and Bronwin that storyline,
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but I dunno if you've noticed they live in the place,
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which later becomes on the map,
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anybody's spot where
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they're living basically in what becomes mortal, um,
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or in that very, that region or the brown lenss. So the big,
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the origins of evil that you see there with the sort of, you know,
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the cow with the black milk and everything,
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you can see the turning of those lands. So, you know, the,
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the omens are not great for their society.
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So that's a little sense of where it's following a track.
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I think the broad brush show brushstrokes are sort of on within
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the talking well, but there is a lot of particularly go gradual,
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like reimagining her to do a different job, um,
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which probably is sending some people, you know, crazy, but that,
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that's basically what they're doing.
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So I'm not gonna give a view on whether it's good or bad to do that.
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I'd like to hear how you felt, and this is where it goes over to you to discuss.
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What was your feeling about, um,
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the story that did you find it fun or did you find it too slow?
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Who would like to chip in with an, an early reaction
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Nancy off you go?
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So I do like it,
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I watched both episodes twice. I, um,
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I feel like we're in middle earth,
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which was a really important thing. Um,
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I,
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I really liked the relationship between Elron and Durham and that
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we're gonna get to see Kaza doom at its height.
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I like that development.
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I really had a problem with Gori,
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only others being offered to go to valor.
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Um, not only because the way they made it look.
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So I find those,
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those female elves with the veils on really creepy <laugh>
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and I'm like, I don't understand what that is about.
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And so I was thinking about this last night after watching it for the sec,
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the second episode for the second time that, um,
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really gradual is the only female elf.
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We get to see her face basically.
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And I know she's the star, but it's very weird to me. And I was like,
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I mean, part of the reason why, you know,
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when we see GE at the mirror with photo and she gets
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all big and bad and then she comes back to herself and she's like,
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I passed the test, I can go into the west. I mean,
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part the thing,
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the reason that's so impactful is because she had been
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banned from valor and had,
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had to protect her little slice of
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Vindo and was fighting SAR that entire time
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with the help of the, with NA ne NAIA,
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um, and her NAIA. And, um,
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and so she does pass the test and become forgiven, you know?
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So by allowing her the opportunity to go back to Lanor,
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like right at the very beginning, I think it takes away from that.
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Um, I don't have a problem with her being this warrior.
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Um, Tolkin did say she was, you know,
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really strong and he called her name was like manmade in. And, um,
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so I don't really have a problem with that. I'm not,
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I was thinking about the whole caliber thing too last night that he
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could still be there. He could be, you know,
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because he's, they're not always together. Like you said, you know,
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and he could be off on his own doing the whole, you know,
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founding Lauren thing or whatever.
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So I just, um,
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cause I don't have a problem with them making her like this, but,
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um, I did kind of have a problem with, um,
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yoga led and him saying that
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evil was gone, you know, like he seemed an Elron,
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they both seemed like politicians sort of, you know, and I guess they would be.
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And I guess even in the Lord of the rings Elron was a bit of a politician,
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I mean, and, but to dismiss it so offhand,
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you know, just because, you know,
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she said she found includes,
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but I don't know that whole thing just seemed weird to me. Um,
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I love the hos the horror foots. Um, I love the horror foots.
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I love this mystery man who it does seem it
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is who I think it is. And I projected a while back that who it would be.
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But I'm wondering if they're going, I don't know if I wanna spoil that,
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but I I'm wondering if, if they're leading us on with that.
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natural. I mean,
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the elves are the ones that felt most stilted to me where the humans and the,
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the, um, hard foots seemed very, uh,
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real, um, uh,
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I'm not sure about the,
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the L human relationship right off the bat. And I'm also worried that,
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you know, this thing between gradual and, um,
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how brand, uh, they're hinting at something.
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you know, so far I really I'm happy with the way it looks.
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I I'm happy with the most of the
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characters the way they are. And I mean, there's, I,
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I think I heard there's only eight episodes and that's a lot to
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develop in the first season. And what,
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what had worried me was in seeing the previews,
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there was a whole lot going on very early,
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you know, like they really jumped the timeline.
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Like I know they said they com am I frozen?
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It said they compressed it, but I think they may be compressing it too much.
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So, um, I don't know about the,
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the naked man, but I had, I, my I've got a kind of either or,
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oh, so I was thinking, well,
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it'd be fun to use that guy as the Hoit is introducing Sarah,
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you know,
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it could be Sarah who's kind of fallen angel fallen from the sky Lucifer figure.
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But because he's, and also it looks like an eye, you know,
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that's sort of in the middle of that thing. But then when I actually saw him,
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I thought, oh, he's definitely channeling a kind of GNED off the gray grunge.
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So maybe he's a wizard and he starts being a bit scary.
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And actually that's a classic thing to do. Isn't it. If it's,
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if it actually turns out to be good, you start him a bit scary. Whereas if,
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if he was gonna be Sarah, you'd start him being really nice.
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I, I do think.
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He's and do it the other way. So my money's shifted being, if I'm in Vegas,
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I'm gonna put him on the wizard Gand chip. I think,
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I dunno. What do other people think? Cause we don't know. I don't know. Uh.
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Yeah, especially.
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So catch here. You've got your hand up. What, what's your view?
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Yeah, so I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. I was very apprehensive.
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They, they wouldn't be respectful to talk and, but they were, in my opinion,
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more respectful than not.
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I am totally in love with the couple of the woman healer and the guard
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elf. Um,
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and it did surprise me because I think the been totally imagined for the Amazon
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show, but I like the chemistry that they had.
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I liked the individual characters. Um,
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I think out of all of the ELFS,
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the guard for me had the most behavior that I would expect because I
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was very disappointed by almost all other elves. Um, a I,
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yeah. Uh, I was not convinced by the actor. Um,
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he didn't seem enough ELV to me <laugh> uh,
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but I did like the worst, uh, the hard foods.
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And then, yeah,
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generally I found it's very visually appealing kind of divided from collateral.
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Didn't like her in the first episode liked her very much on,
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in the second way more in the second episode. Um,
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but I also try, uh, it it's, yeah,
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it's kind of difficult for me to judge it, uh,
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with a lot of precision, uh,
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because I'm not that familiar with all of the prehistory of the middle earth.
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Uh, so yeah, uh,
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more happy way more happy than I thought I would be and love the
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elephant, uh, human couple generally. I'm always a sucker for a,
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a difficult love story. Um, so I'm for now,
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I'm mostly here to, to follow this couple. It's like my main interest for now.
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No,
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that's really fascinating cuz they're the couple when they come on the screen,
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I think, oh, come on. <laugh> I'm less interested in them though.
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I do like his breast plate. I spend a lot of time looking at thinking, oh,
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it's a green man. Um.
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Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because I, I think finally the costumes were very nice,
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but it was a bit disappointed by the armor of the elves.
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I would expect more of intricate metal work, uh,
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on their armor and it's very plain to me, but yeah,
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it's the kind of need picking.
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Yeah. We, we, I spent a knit pick there. That's what we are here to do. I mean,
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why not? Rowan,
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you got also had a hand raised. What was your reaction?
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so potentially controversial in a room full of such dedicated, uh,
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talking fans and fans of literature and the books,
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um, as am I obviously,
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but when I was younger,
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I was super critical of any, um,
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film or TV show that did not replicate exactly the book I had
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just read it, ruined it for me. If I did not see an exact,
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like the same version of that story on that screen,
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as I've got older,
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I could not be less interested in seeing an exact copy of the book on
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screen. Um,
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and
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like I think it that's come with having a different understanding of art now
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and also like studying film and studying TV a bit more and like learning the
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differences between like writing for, you know, writing a novel writing,
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short stories, writing for TV writing film,
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I'm a bit more sympathetic to TV and film writers now in knowing that
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every scene has to have something, you know, there has to, but yeah,
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and talking was not a writer who condensed things.
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He was not, not a writer who condensed things. Um,
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and you have to do that in TV. Um, and you have to,
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every single scene has to have, that has to have something,
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you know, with film has to have something in it. So while there was some things,
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um, that I was like, oh, you know, the,
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the talking nerd in me went a little bit oh, you know, like, um, you know,
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going to, uh, VA or, and, you know, think, you know, going back there,
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I was a bit like, oh, that's a bit odd. Um,
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and then I thought, yeah, you know what, though, I can see why they've done it.
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Um, I sort of look at it with very different,
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you know, different hats now, I guess I wear when I'm watching something on TV.
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Um, so I really loved it. Um,
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I like what Nancy said about feeling like you're in middle earth, cuz I,
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I got that feeling too. That was one of the most important thing for me,
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I think, um, not it being a,
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uh, exact copy of the characters that were written, um,
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in the books and not it being the
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exact sort of, you know, law that was in the books,
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but more that feeling of middle earth, that feeling of going home, um,
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was the most important thing for me. And I definitely got that. Um,
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so yeah, that's, that's how I feel about it. I think with seeing, um,
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characters as well that we've got to know through reading the books and also
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watching like the older, the rings in the Hobbit,
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seeing new actors take on those roles is always gonna be a bit,
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even at a different time is always gonna be a bit jarring at first. You know,
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you've sort of have to, um,
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refamiliarize yourself with that character again,
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because you are seeing them on screen, but it's, you know,
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it's a different actor.
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They're bringing something completely different to the character. And I,
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I understand like people's sort of, um,
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reactions like Elron especially like,
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but I think we will become familiar with them again, we will,
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you know, you know, become acquainted with them and that, uh,
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um, this, um, portrayal of,
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of him and the other characters as well. But it,
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it does definitely have that sort of jarring feeling at first. Um, but yeah,
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I think that'll, I think that'll come in time. Um, I think.
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To pick up on your point about Elron there is, I did see him as a politician.
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I saw him as a diplomat as an ex diplomat,
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what he was doing particularly in the second episode is
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he's clearly doing the ambassador role. And I like that. Cause I thought, oh,
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this is a really interesting way of explaining his role in middle earth,
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um, because of his half. And no, I thought that was, I really enjoyed that.
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We've had a correction from Nancy who is our absolute expert. Um,
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so you know, far more expert than I am. Um,
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Ronwin and Aron Deere are in tier hared. I was getting a bit kind of map.
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Can you get map queasy? Cause it gets swooping over the map.
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I couldn't quite follow where they were going,
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which she says she thinks is near her ad, which is obviously Southern.
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Um, so maybe their, their land is okay though.
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It infested with olive fonts maybe.
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Oh yeah, my money's on Gander. Sorry Alexandra. I, yeah,
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my that's where I'm putting my, my money. It was the, but again,
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it could be red herring. Like it's one of those things, but it, for me,
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I was like,
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this feels a lot like feels a lot like Gander and then it was the whispering to
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the fireflies. I was like, okay, that's very clear callback.
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I think this is scan. Um, so yeah, that's, that's,
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that's what I'm putting my money on.
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Or a blue wizard about whom we know not very much,
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you always go for the ones about whom, you know, nothing, but.
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He says, he says something like man,
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when he speaks and I think Ure is the name of, um,
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the creator <inaudible> or something like that.
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You're very good. If you can, if you can actually interpret what he's saying, I,
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I, I should put the captions on for that bit. Uh, Alex,
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um, you've also had with us.
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Actually love the, the TV show obviously.
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And I wanted to come back on the Brun Brun win. Oranger sorry.
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That was something I found very clever because for me,
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it's showing the evil and so without showing it,
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and I think it was a,
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a good way of like kind of subtle ish because, well,
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I guess we all picked that up,
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but it's a good way of showing him without having to go too much into
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portraying the actual evil right now, because everybody's looking for him,
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but you still have to have him somewhere, even if,
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but you can't show it because otherwise the whole gradual quest, uh, is useless.
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I guess, if you know exactly where he is.
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So I kind of like that and on the acting,
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I feel like, I don't know if it's just me, but it's been a while.
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I haven't seen actors bring me directly and so vividly
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into the whole world. I for, I didn't,
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I had to come back for a second when I still get agile space,
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I knew it was her immediately. I didn't had a second of like,
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who could she be? It was like obvious.
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And I think I had that feeling for most of the characters.
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So I think they did very well in casting,
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in finding actors that kind of look like the older version of
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themselves and still are good with the bigger,
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I just pick someone that looks like and will do the job.
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Somehow people will find it, I guess, but I don't know. They,
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they look like them and they also play well. So I think it's kinda, well.
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I thought that Nori actually has almost like Elijah wood eyes,
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you know, you were saying, so you got you think, yeah,
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that's that kind of works. And I was looking at Norie,
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she's got these one me as I talk about the eyes of the young gala later.
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Like when that first started, I thought, my goodness, this,
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this girl is just astonishing, you know.
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And.
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They've done some very good casting picks, I think. Uh, and.
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I was wondering about, about, no,
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that he's a Brandy wondering if there's any relation to the Brandy
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actually.
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Oh yeah.
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They've taken a bit of one name and put it with a bit of another.
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Exactly. And my money is on Zo as well, but the.
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Well, it'd be very funny when, when we come,
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we should meet back at the end of the series and have another chat about it once
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we've given the whole story arc. Um, and once we've lost all our money,
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like we've all been proven wrong or something. Yeah, that's right.
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From the beginning. <laugh>.
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Yeah. I mean, when I'm watching, throwing out random things like, oh,
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maybe that little boy turns out to be the mouse of Sarah. You know,
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the one who's got, um, from wins, picks up the other,
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cause he's got quite print, you know,
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he's got a bad wicked thing and he is a he's he's a man.
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So he is gonna be he's doomed. Um, anyway,
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probably none of these things will come to pass, but anyway,
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it's quite fun to guess. So, um,
471
00:30:51.320 --> 00:30:55.720
some of you've mentioned already some performances, so we've sort of,
472
00:30:55.870 --> 00:30:59.880
most people are quite happy with story choices, cuz absolutely like Rowan,
473
00:30:59.900 --> 00:31:04.230
you do different things when you're making a TV show. Absolutely.
474
00:31:04.690 --> 00:31:09.350
And you put in a few really handsome else, like a on Deere and we are all happy,
475
00:31:09.370 --> 00:31:11.070
you know, why not? Um,
476
00:31:11.850 --> 00:31:16.630
but what about the actual acting performances I I've seen there was, um,
477
00:31:16.630 --> 00:31:20.340
one of the newspapers here gave it like a one star. I thought,
478
00:31:20.340 --> 00:31:24.420
how can you give it a one star? It was like a daily mail or something. My, uh,
479
00:31:24.420 --> 00:31:29.260
family pointed out to me. Definitely. I thought the acting was great.
480
00:31:29.520 --> 00:31:33.860
And I particularly liked, I mean there all, there's nobody default at all.
481
00:31:34.330 --> 00:31:39.210
I particularly liked gala's acting when she said
482
00:31:39.210 --> 00:31:40.043
nothing.
483
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:44.990
So like in the scenes when Gil Gallad is saying off you go
484
00:31:45.870 --> 00:31:50.830
evils over off you go, you could see within an Elvin restraint,
485
00:31:50.830 --> 00:31:55.450
her utter dis kind of the force of the emotion.
486
00:31:55.450 --> 00:31:59.930
I thought she did a fantastic job. So she gets a shout out for me.
487
00:31:59.930 --> 00:32:02.690
Anybody else wants to give a shout out for some of the performances,
488
00:32:05.840 --> 00:32:06.673
Christina?
489
00:32:08.030 --> 00:32:13.000
Well, I was keeping quiet because I've only almost finished the first episode,
490
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:17.320
but I thought of all the things I'm still warming up to the serious in general,
491
00:32:17.320 --> 00:32:19.080
like the story and the feel of it.
492
00:32:19.080 --> 00:32:23.880
Because for me the feel I'm still I'm getting used to it because it has a lot of
493
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.960
the modern, serious feel rather than the Lord of the rings movie feel,
494
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.320
which is clearly, it's just a different medium.
495
00:32:31.530 --> 00:32:35.920
So it's going to feel different. But I thought that in terms of acting,
496
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.870
it actually was really, really nice. I really liked it.
497
00:32:39.560 --> 00:32:44.400
Maybe I'm just going to guess maybe the reason they gave the one
498
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.120
star is because they didn't get the same feel.
499
00:32:47.900 --> 00:32:52.640
But I think it's more about the fact that it's a
500
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.320
different interpretation. First of all,
501
00:32:54.320 --> 00:32:56.560
you get different actors and different interpretations,
502
00:32:56.560 --> 00:33:00.080
which is always going to feel different. And if you're used to people,
503
00:33:00.590 --> 00:33:04.040
like if you used to L run from the load of the rings films,
504
00:33:04.350 --> 00:33:08.240
you're gonna have to re get reused to the new L Rund.
505
00:33:09.270 --> 00:33:10.103
Yeah.
506
00:33:10.230 --> 00:33:13.520
I completely disagree with the one star review. I would be acting.
507
00:33:14.410 --> 00:33:17.340
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a political choice knowing the newspaper,
508
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.580
you know, they they're having a let's let's get it Amazon, um, possibly,
509
00:33:22.870 --> 00:33:25.060
or they sent along their critic who hates fantasy.
510
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:30.140
Cuz obviously that would be a disaster if they only like kind of Mike Lee films
511
00:33:30.140 --> 00:33:33.980
or something, you know? Um, yeah. Um,
512
00:33:34.770 --> 00:33:39.150
so what about their creative, um, realization of it?
513
00:33:40.300 --> 00:33:44.450
We know that I think wetter workshop were involved, but they didn't,
514
00:33:44.450 --> 00:33:49.330
they didn't sort of get Peter Jackson along to sort of advise,
515
00:33:49.330 --> 00:33:52.240
but it clearly is owing a lot
516
00:33:53.760 --> 00:33:58.570
architecturally and everything to the original look of the
517
00:33:58.570 --> 00:34:01.050
Lord of the rings trilogy. Um,
518
00:34:01.050 --> 00:34:05.460
but were you happy with the feel of the places and
519
00:34:06.210 --> 00:34:08.740
some of you already said you felt like you were in middle earth.
520
00:34:09.620 --> 00:34:14.260
Anything else you wanna say about costumes, music, uh,
521
00:34:15.130 --> 00:34:17.860
sets locations, Elizabeth,
522
00:34:18.010 --> 00:34:21.400
what did you think your muted.
523
00:34:24.020 --> 00:34:26.360
I'm getting a sign to be muted. Um,
524
00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:30.360
now thank you for asking that question and I'm gonna give a very simple
525
00:34:30.500 --> 00:34:34.280
observation and it, it meets with what you're asking.
526
00:34:34.390 --> 00:34:35.640
That's what drew me.
527
00:34:36.230 --> 00:34:40.440
I was loving it and then I really loved it when I became aware of the music.
528
00:34:41.260 --> 00:34:44.720
And there was a moment where I was like, okay,
529
00:34:44.780 --> 00:34:49.480
I'm really totally into this because the music is very important to me.
530
00:34:50.500 --> 00:34:54.720
And um, uh, and I can't really cite exactly, you know,
531
00:34:54.720 --> 00:34:58.200
when and where that happened. But, um, that,
532
00:34:58.200 --> 00:35:02.680
that kind of linked me to the Peter Jackson films, not continually,
533
00:35:03.140 --> 00:35:05.000
but, um, yeah.
534
00:35:05.150 --> 00:35:08.480
That, so the, the theme music, which you only hear in full,
535
00:35:08.490 --> 00:35:11.600
if you go into the second episode, um, by the way.
536
00:35:12.130 --> 00:35:13.000
So maybe it was.
537
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:17.080
Then the title sequence isn't run in the first one, um,
538
00:35:17.090 --> 00:35:21.280
is by Howard shore who did the music for Lord of the rings films.
539
00:35:22.370 --> 00:35:26.760
Um, and then the other music is by somebody called,
540
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:30.360
I think it's Ben NEK. I might not be saying his,
541
00:35:30.380 --> 00:35:33.600
his or her name correctly. Um, but there's,
542
00:35:33.600 --> 00:35:35.560
you can listen to the soundtrack on Spotify,
543
00:35:35.560 --> 00:35:38.320
which we did as we were driving home from our holiday.
544
00:35:38.420 --> 00:35:42.640
And there's some really good, um, music in there.
545
00:35:42.640 --> 00:35:45.520
I particularly liked. I didn't like the scene,
546
00:35:45.520 --> 00:35:49.840
but I like the music when they're going to valor, which looks like death. To me,
547
00:35:50.050 --> 00:35:54.400
it looks like it being, yeah, it looked like that's my problem with it. Um,
548
00:35:54.980 --> 00:35:57.880
but the song that they say they've all got inside them,
549
00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:59.000
they all started singing.
550
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.400
I thought that was beautifully done cuz that tune was played earlier.
551
00:36:02.970 --> 00:36:07.000
So you already prepared. And so when they started singing it,
552
00:36:07.550 --> 00:36:11.400
that was a very magical moment. I thought I did it really nicely though.
553
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:15.480
I did think glad could have done with a better plan <laugh> than just jumping
554
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:20.200
off the boat and having to swim back. I did laugh actually.
555
00:36:20.200 --> 00:36:24.650
That was the moment where it broke the, the sort of, yeah, I thought, okay,
556
00:36:24.650 --> 00:36:29.130
that's a bit dat, but anyway, she's an elf. She she's she's good at swimming.
557
00:36:29.130 --> 00:36:30.010
She'll be fine.
558
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:36.290
Yeah. I was, I will add one other comment again, more general than, uh,
559
00:36:36.490 --> 00:36:40.890
directing at one specific thing. Um, yeah, I did.
560
00:36:40.890 --> 00:36:45.730
I did find it magical. I did, um, the,
561
00:36:45.730 --> 00:36:50.170
the movement of the scenes and you know, what you,
562
00:36:50.170 --> 00:36:54.490
how you were introduced to it, you know, for lack of a better expression. I did,
563
00:36:54.630 --> 00:36:59.090
did find it to like magical, you know, and hopefully you like that.
564
00:36:59.740 --> 00:37:00.573
So.
565
00:37:01.220 --> 00:37:02.130
Because I was.
566
00:37:02.130 --> 00:37:06.370
Gonna be disappointed if it wasn't. Yeah. If I didn't feel moved that way,
567
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.610
I was gonna really be disappointed.
568
00:37:09.460 --> 00:37:10.490
So we just have a, a,
569
00:37:10.520 --> 00:37:14.690
a final little moment on costumes before we sort of do a round up of,
570
00:37:14.690 --> 00:37:18.490
of a out of five stars kind of thing. Um,
571
00:37:19.610 --> 00:37:21.410
somebody's already mentioned, I sort, I'm sorry.
572
00:37:21.410 --> 00:37:25.720
I forget who it was said that they thought the armor was a bit plain.
573
00:37:26.170 --> 00:37:27.720
Um, not quite enough.
574
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:31.240
You'd have thought they'd had some VIN scripts and you know,
575
00:37:31.240 --> 00:37:34.320
they spend a lot of that on their weapons maybe. Um,
576
00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:39.760
but does anyone have anything they'd like to mention about sort of
577
00:37:39.980 --> 00:37:44.360
the dressing of the characters? I mean, a really strong look is the, um,
578
00:37:44.860 --> 00:37:49.300
the hobbits who all having a terribly bad hair day
579
00:37:52.550 --> 00:37:54.580
or a good hair day. If, if that's,
580
00:37:54.580 --> 00:37:58.020
if you like kind of dreadlocks with acorns,
581
00:38:00.130 --> 00:38:03.650
it's quite fun. I thought, I, I,
582
00:38:03.990 --> 00:38:08.660
the one thing I would say about the Harit is I wish they wouldn't give the women
583
00:38:09.460 --> 00:38:14.100
loads of skirts and trousers kind of pick aside, pick a lane,
584
00:38:14.750 --> 00:38:15.100
um,
585
00:38:15.100 --> 00:38:19.860
because it seems really unnecessary to go around
586
00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:24.140
a great big skirt and then killed it up. That bugged me.
587
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:28.500
<inaudible> you've got a few. Yeah, I have more.
588
00:38:29.260 --> 00:38:29.740
Question.
589
00:38:29.740 --> 00:38:34.620
Actually, because I remember, but I'm, uh, that, uh, I don't remember the exact.
590
00:38:34.620 --> 00:38:39.000
Phrase that Tokin was using. So the, normally the, uh, the,
591
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.920
the women's warfs are supposed to have beers or there was like a rumor
592
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.600
that they were supposed to have beer. Um, the, the beers,
593
00:38:47.630 --> 00:38:51.160
what was the Tolkin position on that? Do you do, you know,
594
00:38:51.160 --> 00:38:53.400
because I expected them to have beers,
595
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.560
but I knew from the previous that they wouldn't have.
596
00:38:55.560 --> 00:38:59.800
And I thought that would be interesting visual to, to have, uh, yeah,
597
00:38:59.860 --> 00:39:02.920
but maybe it's not even part of the official Canon.
598
00:39:03.500 --> 00:39:05.000
And Nancy might know the answer.
599
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.720
I I've got a feeling that is a vague mention of it.
600
00:39:08.060 --> 00:39:12.160
But did you notice that had a little bit of a sideburn going on?
601
00:39:12.490 --> 00:39:13.600
Oh, no, I haven't not.
602
00:39:13.750 --> 00:39:17.960
Yeah. So there's a, there's a nod. She's got like a little beard, so there's.
603
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:19.720
Stick with it kinda.
604
00:39:19.720 --> 00:39:24.200
Very subtle. She's it doesn't make a difference. You know,
605
00:39:24.430 --> 00:39:27.080
beards is there,
606
00:39:27.410 --> 00:39:30.640
is there a canonical answer on beards or not beards?
607
00:39:34.350 --> 00:39:36.640
Have you got a view on that, Nancy?
608
00:39:36.790 --> 00:39:41.620
Yeah. Can, am I breaking up? Cause I a.
609
00:39:41.620 --> 00:39:43.900
Little bit just carry, carry on though. You're fine again now.
610
00:39:44.670 --> 00:39:45.820
Oh, okay. So
611
00:39:47.780 --> 00:39:50.590
Tolkin did say that. Um,
612
00:39:50.590 --> 00:39:53.070
well he kind of said that there were female doors,
613
00:39:53.170 --> 00:39:55.270
but you didn't see them because he,
614
00:39:55.270 --> 00:39:58.790
they looked like the male doors and they did have beards.
615
00:39:59.010 --> 00:40:03.590
And so that was one of the things that a lot of the fans are were
616
00:40:03.870 --> 00:40:07.470
complaining about because DSA did have like a little bit here,
617
00:40:07.890 --> 00:40:11.590
but in that scene where they're chopping the rocks,
618
00:40:11.590 --> 00:40:15.230
none of the other female dorms had beards.
619
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:19.870
So I think it is gonna be a sticking port point for true DOF
620
00:40:20.100 --> 00:40:21.990
fans. But I,
621
00:40:22.100 --> 00:40:26.750
I thought the din kingdom was better realized than the Elvin
622
00:40:26.750 --> 00:40:29.630
kingdom. I mean, I
623
00:40:32.260 --> 00:40:36.830
costumes really elaborate and layered and nuanced and
624
00:40:38.680 --> 00:40:42.880
loved and home with the,
625
00:40:43.010 --> 00:40:45.160
we saw the VIN cities from a distance.
626
00:40:45.160 --> 00:40:49.840
Maybe that's why I feel this way because we didn't really get to see,
627
00:40:49.870 --> 00:40:51.280
they were always outside.
628
00:40:51.730 --> 00:40:56.440
We didn't really get to see any structures really close up.
629
00:40:57.700 --> 00:41:02.680
I think VIN city is always looking incredibly drafty <laugh>, you know,
630
00:41:02.680 --> 00:41:06.480
they don't feel like real places. Do they? Whereas the dwarf kingdom,
631
00:41:06.550 --> 00:41:08.120
I really enjoyed seeing the,
632
00:41:08.120 --> 00:41:12.490
the mirrors that were used to bring the light down so they could do agriculture.
633
00:41:12.560 --> 00:41:15.450
They just walk past it. I love that. And you're right.
634
00:41:15.450 --> 00:41:18.570
There was sort of detail there. We should round up our conversation,
635
00:41:18.570 --> 00:41:20.330
just take Elizabeth. Uh,
636
00:41:20.330 --> 00:41:23.850
and I'm gonna ask you for your kind of four out of five vote.
637
00:41:24.220 --> 00:41:29.210
If you could put it, um, in the chat, we can do an overall score from us,
638
00:41:30.180 --> 00:41:32.970
um, from the project Northmore creatives,
639
00:41:33.430 --> 00:41:36.560
Oxford center for fantasy creatives. So, Elizabeth,
640
00:41:36.560 --> 00:41:39.400
what was your little comment you were gonna have there.
641
00:41:39.970 --> 00:41:44.560
So way back when, um, when you were envisioning with all of us on project,
642
00:41:44.560 --> 00:41:46.600
Northmore you put up a post and said, well,
643
00:41:47.010 --> 00:41:50.240
it was way back at the very beginning. What, what are you wondering about?
644
00:41:50.240 --> 00:41:54.000
And it's just like a, you know, pub curiosity question, the,
645
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:58.200
the dwarf women and the beard, but mainly over and above that,
646
00:41:58.200 --> 00:42:01.360
I'm more interested in the fact that they weren't visible really.
647
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:06.240
They didn't have a, a role. I think that's more fascinating than, you know,
648
00:42:06.240 --> 00:42:08.280
what they look like basically, um,
649
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.680
which are very nice looking by the way in the, in the new production. Um,
650
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:17.120
but I, so just, you know, like weird curiosity, like, okay,
651
00:42:17.120 --> 00:42:21.600
I'm gonna look up online and see if I can see any images of a dwarf woman with a
652
00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:25.880
beard. And, um, one creative person did it very nicely.
653
00:42:26.160 --> 00:42:28.800
Actually they had their hair kind of grown, you know,
654
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.600
longer and braided in the front,
655
00:42:31.830 --> 00:42:36.560
like this sort of like a beard, you know, visually like it'd be in front,
656
00:42:36.560 --> 00:42:40.160
but it wasn't really a beard, but it, you know, so who knows what beard means,
657
00:42:40.160 --> 00:42:40.993
right.
658
00:42:42.350 --> 00:42:44.400
Indeed on that poser.
659
00:42:45.370 --> 00:42:48.520
So just while you come up with your we're giving it, uh,
660
00:42:48.520 --> 00:42:53.440
a sort of score out of five stars. Okay. So if you like to, um,
661
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:58.000
put in your score, we'll have an overall total, but,
662
00:42:58.130 --> 00:43:01.240
um, my husband came up with a summary. I rather liked,
663
00:43:01.240 --> 00:43:04.000
which I thought I'd share with you. So he said, right.
664
00:43:04.250 --> 00:43:08.760
So that means the dwarfs are Scottish.
665
00:43:10.100 --> 00:43:12.040
The hobbits are Irish,
666
00:43:13.270 --> 00:43:15.250
the elves are Welsh.
667
00:43:16.940 --> 00:43:21.400
The men are English and the money is American,
668
00:43:23.790 --> 00:43:25.270
which I thought was a great summary.
669
00:43:25.450 --> 00:43:29.910
Cuz if you actually follow the accents as somebody native to here,
670
00:43:30.510 --> 00:43:35.310
goads a bit Welsh. So it works. Okay.
671
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:41.030
So let me go through, Oh, it's pretty good.
672
00:43:41.030 --> 00:43:44.240
We got 2, 3, 4.
673
00:43:45.580 --> 00:43:49.070
I would say we're giving it about 4.2 out of five.
674
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:55.030
Um, so between four and five, which I think Amazon can be quite happy about.
675
00:43:55.700 --> 00:43:56.190
Okay.
676
00:43:56.190 --> 00:43:59.750
And not that they're gonna care cuz there's enough money there to take a hit.
677
00:43:59.970 --> 00:44:00.870
But um,
678
00:44:01.120 --> 00:44:05.790
we seem fairly happy with it and I for one is certainly going to follow it all
679
00:44:05.790 --> 00:44:10.590
the way through. And if some of it makes me laugh, well that's fine.
680
00:44:10.930 --> 00:44:15.870
But mostly I'm just enjoying seeing more images and more,
681
00:44:15.870 --> 00:44:20.030
very clever people, creatively reinterpreting TH's world.
682
00:44:20.640 --> 00:44:25.030
So good. I really hope they carry on and good luck to them. Um,
683
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:27.750
so my final bet,
684
00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:32.520
the end of the second episode Gilad is about to be scooped up out of the sea.
685
00:44:33.560 --> 00:44:36.500
I'm hoping that that's gonna be a new Manian ship.
686
00:44:37.710 --> 00:44:42.600
I know she doesn't in the book go to new Menor if I'm aware, but maybe she does.
687
00:44:43.700 --> 00:44:46.570
Um, so that's my bit, anybody else got a bit who's on the ship,
688
00:44:50.140 --> 00:44:50.700
Nancy,
689
00:44:50.700 --> 00:44:55.650
have you got a view or she may know Nancy's often got
690
00:44:55.650 --> 00:44:58.810
the inside track anyway. So we'll find out.
691
00:44:59.080 --> 00:44:59.913
I think I.
692
00:45:02.040 --> 00:45:02.600
Don't.
693
00:45:02.600 --> 00:45:04.320
Have the inside track, but I think it's his silver.
694
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:10.830
Oh, so that would be new Andorian um, in that he was one of the,
695
00:45:10.930 --> 00:45:15.150
the elf friends. Yeah. That's even more specific than, than my,
696
00:45:16.080 --> 00:45:19.590
my punt. Okay. Thank you everyone. I hope you enjoyed that.
697
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.590
We reconvene to have a sort of final kick around,
698
00:45:24.340 --> 00:45:27.910
I suppose it's gonna be like November or something when it finishes. Um,
699
00:45:28.080 --> 00:45:31.310
so we can have a chat and the how it all went.
700
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:36.430
So thank you very much for joining me this evening. Thank you.
701
00:45:36.590 --> 00:45:39.470
Thank you. Bye bye everybody so much.
702
00:45:42.340 --> 00:45:43.173
That was fun.
703
00:45:44.520 --> 00:45:46.030
If you enjoyed this discussion,
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or come on the, uh,
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six week introduction to fantasy writing course,
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which starts in October or even if you're further on in your writing journey,
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the novel in the year course.
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The next one of those starts in January do visit our website to find out
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thank you very much for listening to myth makers.
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