Bonus Podcast: Readathon Live Event!

Alright, hello, people are starting arriving. Hi Bruce, and Carrie, and me, and Steve, and Susanna, lovely to see you here. We're expecting quite a crew, so I'll just wait for everyone to turn up for wherever they are in the globe. And I'll explain what we're going to do. We're expecting to be here for an hour, so if you've got, you know, you're planning your day, that's what we'll be doing. And I hope you've got your quiz thoughts, your quiz hats on, because it's not easy this quiz. I thought I'd really test you all as you've been reading Lord of the Rings so recently. Who else has come in? Hi, Laurie, and Karen, and Jose, and Inga, Emily. I think it's I can't, maybe greeting people twice, because the list keeps re-jigging it's a net. Wonderful. So whilst we wait for people to arrive, if you want to say hi, do raise your hand. Oh, Karen, you said hi. Do you want to come and actually talk to us? Just talk to me for a bit, because my tech team should be able to find you, and have a little chat and find out where you're from. Okay, Karen, you're talking is permitted. So off you go, tell us where you're from. Well, hey, Julia, thank you guys for being with me on with you. So I'm here in Edinburgh in the UK. Okay, and I was actually one of your Gandalf for the day participant. So I took three the day on April the 1st, which was kind of fun. A few people I told that I was doing this just went, no, that's an April 4th joke, you can't be doing that, that's just too cool. What was your chapter? I did Flotsam and Jackson. Oh, we're going to be talking about that later. So we've taken note of that. Okay, it was Karen's chapter. That means so everything about Flotsam and Jackson offers off my head, which will be just, I'll be terrible on the spot. No, no, no, no, no. But can I hear an accent of something that isn't Edinburgh born and bred? Yes. I'm English, so I was born in Norwich and then grew up in Hertfordshire, so just near London. Yeah, and then moved up to Edinburgh for University and I've stayed here ever since because I have family here. So yeah, I'm not too Scottish. It's a fabulous city, though. I mean, one of really lovely, anybody else listening to this is a fabulous city. So we've got Phoebe as well, who's got her. I think I know Phoebe. Phoebe, are you my Phoebe? Hi Julia, yeah, Phoebe. Phoebe, everybody else who's joining us, Phoebe came on our very first in person walking and writing in the Shire's course, which we did in Merton in April. So Phoebe, where are you at the moment? I'm at home. I'm here at home and I'm so happy to Sunday because it's my one day of work and I'm so happy I got the email. I was like, oh, I get to say hello Julia and everybody. Yeah, so you might get to tell folks that Phoebe has a little bit of the Irish in her, or quite a lot of the Irish in her. So Phoebe, whilst people are coming, what was your highlight of the walking and writing in the Shire's course, of all the places that Tolkien and related places we went? What did you like most? Oh, I'm trying to just pick one. I loved all of it. Oh, wow. I've been getting to meet all of you. I loved every bit of it, honestly. I couldn't pick just one. Oh, that's nice. For me, I think for me, the place that I enjoyed most was Sairhole Mill, because that was my first time being there, which for those of you don't know, it's in the outskirts of Birmingham, which was where Tolkien as a little boy lived, then it was a village. And as Phoebe will tell you, now it's in like suburbia, isn't it, it's surrounded by houses, but this old mill is still there, which is the inspiration for the mill in Hobbiton. Yes, and you can really tell you it has the old wheel and stuff as well. Oh, and so it's lovely to see you, Phoebe, thank you for coming. Not really, Julia, thank you. Carrie's got her hand up. So, Carrie, would you like to say hi and tell us where you're from? You're not from Europe, are you? Yeah, well, York is actually a former married name, so a long, boring story there, but I'm actually in America, I'm in Idaho. Oh, Idaho, okay, so a really remote part of the world from everybody else there, but I do have to say this is such an honour to meet and talk to you. I can't believe I'm doing this. Oh, no, it's a total pleasure. And we've been having a huge amount of fun with this. Over the last few months, we'll be doing a sort of recap on it. We are going to give people a good five minutes to turn up because we're expecting quite sizeable numbers. So, Carrie, while we've got you, I presume in Idaho, you're sort of in the middle of your day there. Exactly. No, so yeah, it's just about 11 o'clock, not quite new yet here. So we would be on, I'm in the Pacific time zone. So when did you firstly read Lord the Rings? I first, it was crazy. I read the Hobbit when I was a kid, and then I didn't touch Lord of Rings until my 20s, and I kick myself every day over this because as soon as I started reading it, I just was thinking to myself, why did I not pick this up before? And it quickly became my very, very, very favorite book. Yeah. And it remains every time I read it, it just cemented more and more into my heart as my favorite book. And are you a fan of the films? Yes. Okay. So are you looking forward to the Amazon series? No. Why is that? What's wrong? I'm just nervous because it's a concern of mine that Tolkien and his works as a whole may not be respected. Yeah, it is hard to see. I've sort of thought about this a lot as you could imagine. And it's working out what's the equivalent of the Hobbit view? Because the way that the reason why I think, you know, the reason why Lord the Rings works is because you really relate to the little guy. Yes. And obviously the film we're really in and the Hobbits were not really mentioned in there. I think they might sneak a few in and maybe they'll have a few sort of doors to give us another little person to. Right. And they may bring it, you know, they may go all the way through the second age and maybe get a little into the third age as the series progresses. I just, yeah, I just have a lot of concerns because I really think Peter Jackson respected Tolkien as a whole. And I like what he did because, yeah, nobody's perfect. So of course it's an imperfect work, but I just really liked what he did with it. Yeah. So other people, if you wish to weigh in on this topic, what's the waiting for others to come, you just raise your hand and I'll see, your shoot to the top of my list, I'll be able to call you forward. So thanks, Carrie, you're starting that particular conversation, go say hi to Steve. Steve, do you want to say where you're from? Steve Ruddock? Yes, Julian, it's a pleasure to be part of this. Excuse me, and to meet you. I'm in Far off, sunny California. I fear the sun is taking the day off today. We've had a day of rain here as well. So the other side of the world. So Steve, your early morning, are you sort of like nine o'clock that kind of time? No, I'm same time zone as as Carrie. It's just past 11 now. Just past 11, right. And so same question to you, Steve, are you someone who read Lord of the Rings as a child or as a teen or did you come to it later in life? I read it first at age 17 and I've read it many times since. Yeah. And I was a pleasure as we'll probably discuss in the readathon that helped me read it with fresh eyes, you know how it's sometimes difficult with your favorite pieces of literature or your favorite songs to really hear unlike you want to when it's over and over again. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I was asking Carrie about the sort of view of films and the TV series coming. What's your, are you Peter Jackson admirer or books only person? Well, I thought Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings films were far better than we had any right to expect, given the pretty shabby history of trying to bring Lord of the Rings to the screen. But I really didn't like his Hobbit trilogy. I think it gave into the temptation to turn it into another one of these comic book superhero bloated kinds of things and the trailer of the Amazon series that I've seen reminds me of those Hobbit movies a little bit. So I'm a bit jaded about that, but I'm sure I'll watch it. We have to see when we give it, you know, on I sort of feel sympathy for the creatives behind the script who've got this almost impossible job to do. So I wish them well. I'm really hoping they're going to do it. Good job because it would be great if they do. But I think with the, the Hobbit, I've got the feeling that there's a really good film waiting one film waiting to come out of the really harsh edit of the three films. Just stick with, just stick with Bilbo and forget all the other stuff. And in probably a good film. Yeah, that would be fun to see. I think someone has actually done this on YouTube somewhere. There is somebody who's re-edited it if they're allowed to. Yeah. So also saying hi to us is Emily. So Emily, do you want to tell us where you're from? Hi, I am from Ohio in America. Uh-huh. Well, hello, America. Thank you. It's about two in the afternoon here. Very nice. So Emily, have you been reading North The Rings every year since you first read it? Yes, actually, since I was 14. Fantastic. And do you have anything to say on the issue of the films versus the forthcoming series? That thing that we've been talking about? I'm at the point where I think the films are very good, but I've just read the books so much that I just can't stop. But what about this? And what about this? And so I think this being a story, part of the story that's less familiar, I'll be more able to let that go. And so I have no idea if it will be good or not, but I'm not grading it. Yeah. Well, we'll see. I remember being quite worried. You sound relatively young. So you may not have been, um, like had many expectations. Because when Peter Jackson went out, he was doing this. There were a couple of years when it was, you know, news was coming out at the end of the 90s. And I was really quite worried at that point that it was going to be really bad. Because the animated version did some things quite well, but then it stopped. They never really sort of finished it. And of course, the cartoon thing didn't, I know. So I had lots of worries. And then you then they turned out pretty much better than I expected. So I'm hoping that's going to be the same with the Amazon series. Maddie, you want to say hi? Maddie, say hello to us. Where are you from? Oh, hang on, we just need you. Yes, there we go. Off you go, Maddie, you can say hi. Hi, can you hear me now? I can, yes. Hi, um, this is, this is so great to be a part of. I really enjoyed the the readathon. Thank you. I'm in, I'm in Vancouver. Um, and I read the, my introduction to Tolkien. I read the Hobbit in high school and I completely fell in love with it then and kind of that just escalated to now. My bookshelf is 90% Tolkien. Yeah. And then, yeah, as far as the movies and, and that goes, I find it, I find it kind of interesting hearing other people's opinions. And I hear a lot that they're worried that the TV show or the movies are going to ruin the, the story. And for me, I think Tolkien's story is in the books. I think whatever happens to the movie or TV show, I mean, it'll be a shame if it does kind of, if it's not as good as if everyone wants it to be or as good as it should be, but I think for me, they're always going to be in the books. So I can always go back there, even if the movies or TV shows don't do as well. But I personally, I really enjoyed the word of the movies. Yeah. Yeah. It's the, um, I suppose it's being able to have the two things in like different compartments like the Frodo in the books is entirely different. Yes. Age and social status and everything is entirely different from um, the Elijah Wood version. So you can kind of say, right, that's the film version. That's the book version. Exactly. I, I, I really separate there too, but the lot of the rings movies, at least I, I really enjoyed them. And I also love the books. So brilliant. Okay. So right folks, um, I'm sure more people will carry on arriving. So, but I thought we'd start by telling you what we're going to do in the next, uh, just under an hour now. Um, we're going to recap the highlights of the readathon, just in brief at the beginning and what was going on there and what we did. Uh, then we're going to move on to a quiz. The quiz is in five rounds. And it's based on Lord of the Rings, the books, not the films. So if you give a film answer to a question, it's going to be not accepted. It's strictly the books. Okay. Everybody, we're doing the books. Um, it's also a quiz that's supposed to be for your memory. Uh, so please don't, um, google and don't, um, if you've got an e-version of it, don't search digitally because that will, with some honour system here, we're expecting you to try and remember. It's fine if you flip through a physical copy of the book like this. Oh, there we go. Um, not that it will help you much because we're going to move quite quickly. Um, and we're going to, um, compile those results and the people who win. Um, if, if you're working on your own, that's fine. If you're in a little WhatsApp group or whatever and doing the team, that's fine. Just make sure only one person is putting in the, the answers. Um, we have prizes, which I will show you towards the end. And then we're going to announce some news of next steps for next reader thongs and let you know what's going on there. Okay, so let's think back to the reader thong. This idea came up, it was just after Christmas, and I was thinking, well, what can we do at the Oxford Centre for Fantasy? Uh, I don't know if you know much about us, but we came out of an attempt to buy, um, Tolkien's house in Oxford, which we couldn't get because it was just too much money. But we did, um, through the fun raising, have enough to set up a centre, uh, for appreciating Tolkien and his fellow ink, inklings. And as part of that, we do creative writing, teaching both online and now in person, but we do a lot of, um, events and other things all about the sort of world of Tolkien, uh, celebrating fantasy and contemporary fantasy writers as well. Anyway, so I thought, well, let's give something really chunky for 2022. And it came to my mind that what I'd really love to do is read Lord the Rings with everybody. We couldn't read it out loud. Some people thought quite, you can see how, uh, reader thong means reading aloud, but, um, there are audiobooks and copyright issues around that, you know, Andy Circus might be after us if we did that. Um, so what it was like, there was more a book club and we asked people to be a Gandalf for a day where they took us through their particular chapter. And I was very strict. We did the preface as well as the appendices. We had a really hard core here at the Oxford Centre for Fantasy. Um, and it was delightful. People were following a sort of very loose format, which was to say why they like this chapter, what this particular chapter meant for them. And then we finished up with a favorite quote. And every day I, I'm sure others on, uh, this webinar had the same, um, sort of experience. I really look forward to just checking in and finding out what today's Gandalf had thought of something. It was like, I was reading it, even if I wasn't actually sitting down reading the chapter at the moment. Um, and so I really enjoyed it personally. And I particularly liked, for me, the highlight was, um, the quotes because people were digging out fabulous, fabulous quotes from all over the book, which we're going to put together actually, um, and, uh, present as a video, which will release, uh, we will release that later in, um, month or so. But, you know, that was just wonderful. Some of those things are definitely worth a t-shirt, some of those slogans. Um, just to let you know how, how, what was involved? So we started on the first of March. And if you include the preface and the appendices, that's 64 days. You went straight through, without a break, every day there was a posting. And many of you on this, um, Zoom were our Gandalf. And I thought you might be interested to see which chapters got the most responses. Inevitably, the first chapters and the very last one, the sort of hello and the goodbye, got a lot of, um, people commenting on them. But several chapters in the middle popped up as being, it's a, you know, surprisingly popular. So one was, um, book one chapter nine, which I'm sure you all know is at the sign of the Prancing Pony. And that got quite a lot of chat. People were, uh, imagining themselves down the Prancing Pony. Uh, another one that a lot of people wanted to comment on was book two, chapter eight, which was farewell to Lorian. So if you were the Gandalf's for these chapters, you know, extra pat on the back. Um, and then in two towers, book three, chapter nine, Flotsam and Jetsam got a lot of people commenting on it. That was a Karen who was spoke to us earlier. That was her chapter. So, um, which was, I suppose it's, um, Mary and Pippin, isn't it? A lot of people enjoyed, um, talking about them. So maybe that's why that proved particularly popular. But it went extremely smoothly. And I really enjoyed that whole process of seeing so many people sharing what we all love, which of course is, um, Lord of the Rings. Possibly the world's favorite novel, or it's certainly up there, isn't it? Okay, so let's go onto the quiz. I'll just tell you how it's going to happen once more. Um, it, you will see in a minute on your screen, a, a form, which is like the first round. And I'll be reading out the questions. And you either have to put in a word or a couple of words or do a multiple choice answer. Um, and then at the end, you press send and it goes to the people who are working on this behind the scene. So, um, they're going to be compiling the results. Um, for those of you who have just joined us since I gave the rules, I mentioned to everybody this is an honours system. We're hoping that you won't be googling and searching digitally. We've preferred you to do this from memory of your many readings. If you slightly misspell a name, don't worry. I've given sort of very variations that are permissible. Um, so don't worry if you've, you know, if some elven word passes you by, yeah, your, unless you're roughly in the right area, you'll be fine. Um, and I just see in the, uh, before we start, I can see in the chat, Clara is just, um, saying hi. Ah, she's saying, um, mentioning the Friendship Onion podcast of Billy and Dom. Yeah, I've listened to some of that. I haven't kept up every week, but that's a fun podcast if you, if you'd like to follow our two favourite hobbits. Well, joint favourite, obviously, with Sam and Frodo. Um, okay, right. Are you already? Good. I'm assuming that's, that's, you're ready to go. So, will my quiz team please put up round one? Okay. So the first round, as you can see, is people and animals. So what is the first name of the first elf that Sam meets? We all know he wants to meet the elves, but who is, what's the name of the first named elf that he meets? Question number two, whose daughter is Goldbury? According to the song, that's Tom Womberdeer's song. Goldbury, of course, is Tom Womberdeer's partner. Yeah, so please put your answers in the slots on the, the quiz, rather than the chat, because they won't be counted in the chat. Okay, so question number three, what are Nika breaches? Are they, number one, a berserker walk, a kind of insect, a species of toad, or a species of bird? Question number four is whose son, so there's a typo there, whose son is Virgil? I told you it wasn't about the films, so those of you who are cheering because we've gone outside the films. Okay, question number five, how many black riders are there when Frodo gets stabbed on weather top? Four, five, six, or nine? I mean, that means not in existence, but how many are present at weather top? I suppose I should say that. Okay, who rules Dale during the days of the Lord of the Rings? Dale, your member is by the Lonely Mountain. Is it brand? Is it Bane? Is it Bard? What is it Bob? Question number seven is, what is the name of the wise woman of Gondor in the houses of healing? Again, if you're not quite sure of the spelling, as long as you get it phonetically, you'll be okay. Okay, number eight, what's the name of the eagle who rescues Gandalf from Isengard? Question number nine, do you know your orcs? Where is Gurishnakh from? Is he from, or she, from Mordor, Moria, Isengard, or Mirkwood? Yeah, I don't know if there's any female orcs. I mean, if you've got a view on that, put it in the chat. Maybe someone's got a theory. Number 10, and the last one in this round, which commander rides with Gandalf to the relief of the battle at Helm's Deep? Remember, we're doing the book, which is a very large hint. We're doing the book. Okay, so please tap return at the end and send in your answers and when they've all gone in. Yeah, people are saying that was hard. Yeah, that's the point. That's why I put in lots of multiple choice ones because then you get a chance of, you know, one in four chance or one in three. So just do your best. Okay, so make sure you've scrolled through to do all 10 questions. You have to sort of work up to the bottom. So everyone got the hang of it now because there's some four more rounds to go. So if you think you didn't quite get it right on round one, you've got another four rounds to catch up. Oh, people are saying I'm brutal. You know, I was making this up, thinking all these are too easy. But then my husband who's quite a lot of the rings nut said, oh, no, no, that was really tough. But I do want to winner, you see. So if I made it so everybody, you get all of them. It wouldn't work, would it? Okay, so some people have done the thing where they've submitted too early. Okay, so I can't do much about that now because we're in the middle of the software. So we've got, can we then share the quiz from our friends from our smiles? And yeah, we're going to be posting this quiz and this readathon later. So you're welcome to to do so. In fact, if you message me, I can send you the quiz questions and you can test them. How about that? Take it to your Lord of the Rings fans elsewhere. Just give me the credit. Okay, so 15 seconds to go and then we'll close this round. Don't worry too much if you, Diana's saying, my spell check is trying to correct my name. I know. I know it's terrible, isn't it? Does it all the time? Word does not know. The other thing I've discovered is that Wordal doesn't recognise things like Mordor. If you try and put in a Tolkien word, you have to be, which is what I do when I do Wordal. You have to do something quite generic like the Shire. Right, okay. So, it'll go quicker after this, but we are going to do the answers whilst people and they can mark your own. So see how you did. So hopefully my team will be putting up the answers, but I will start. There we go. So the first question, the name of the first elf was Gildor. So G-I-L-D-O-R. He's got a second name as well, but I thought that was a bit tough. Number two, the daughter, Goldbree, is the daughter of the river or the river woman. If you're being really precise in the song, it's the river woman or river daughter. So if you've said river, she's a kind of niad of sorts. Then you're right. So what are the Nika Breakers? Yeah, there are kind of insect. Most of you said that. It's what Sam, I think it's Sam, calls those midges on midget water marshes. Whose son is Bergl? That's Beragon. I love that bit. It didn't make it into the films, but I'm kicking French it with Bergl and Beragon. It's great. It's lovely bit of the Gondor background. If you said something like Man of Arms in Gondor, you'll get that point. We're being a bit lenient because everyone's told me I'm really tough. How many black riders were there on weather top? There were five, which is said quite overtly. Who rules Dale during the days of Lord of the Rings? The answer is brand. Who's son of Bain, son of Bard? Not Bob. Nobody said Bob, so good. What's the name of the wise woman? It's Yores. She's the one who talks about fetching the King's foil with her sisters. What's the name of the eagle? Well, of course it's Gwai here. I don't know how many eagles you can name, but it's Gwai here. Do you know your orcs? Wishnack is amongst the orcs in that party who get Mary and Pippin in the two towers. He's in the group that's from Mordor, as opposed to Eisengaard. Mordor was the right answer there. Number 10. This is definitely for the book readers. It's Erkenbrand. Erkenbrand gets a whole little pararation of praise for his, but he doesn't appear at all in the film. So Erkenbrand is the commander who arrives with Gandalf. Okay, right. So stand by for round two everybody. Keep a tally of how many you've got there. Round two is places. Here we go. So we're going to start up in the sky. By the way, there's a blood moon tonight if you're somewhere with no cloud cover, but it's be really good in America. It's a special moon tonight. What gives the Hobbit name for the plow or the great bear? Remember not to press send until you've answered all 10 questions. Okay, number two. Who owns a house that stood back from the lane in the middle of a wide circle of lawn surrounded by a belt of low trees inside the outer hedge? Now this, I'll give you a clue because people have told me this is tricky. It's from the beginning of the book. Okay, we're going to leave the shire and go to Bri. Tolkien mentions three villages near Bri, Staddle, Coom, and Archit. What is the name of the village near Bri on the edge of the Chetwood? Which of the three is it? Is it Staddle? Is it Coom or is it Archit? You can work this one out by logic, but one in three chances are getting that right. By the way, Bri says in the appendices it's based on a village near Oxford called Brill, which you can go and visit if you come and see us in Oxford. It's on a hill and it has little villages around it like this. Number four, what is the common tongue name for Amun's soul? What place means, this is number five, what place means black pit in the Elvish tongue? Okay, question number six. Again, this is a character who didn't make it into the films. Where does Prince Imrahil live? I'm really looking for his specific place that he's Lord of. But I might be a bit lenient on that one if you get the right area of Middle-Earth. Number seven, which place does Aragorn say is unnaturally silent with no sound for miles around? So this is one moment where all the fellowship is there. There's a clue. And he says this and Gandalf says something along the lines of pay attention when you bring a ranger with you. So what's the name of the place? Another clue is this place is very important for the second age and the Amun's in series, presumably. Okay, number eight, what is the name of the river in Lorient that has the power to wash away the stain of travel and reariness? It's where Frodo says he thinks he can hear a voice in the waters. Again, if you can just roughly spill it, you'll be okay. Number nine, what is the new name of the lands that are once cultivated by the Entwives? Now if you know your map, it's on the map, but also it's something that Treebeard says. So there were once upon a time lush places but then war passed over them and they're now called as something. And slightly easy question, hopefully everyone gets this, from where does Frodo set sail? It's even the chapter title at the end. So okay, right, we're about to close round two and give you the answers. So I hope that wasn't too grim that you got some of those. And it's about to close about now. All 15 seconds. Wonder where your favourite place is? I think I always used to think it was Lorient would be my favourite place, but actually as I got older I think it's probably more likely to be Riven dogs. I don't fancy living up a tree. I don't think I'd cope with the no ledges on those flits. Okay, there we go. Some people are saying they're making ridiculous guesses. That's fine. Right, let's do the answers. The name, the Hobbit name for the star system, the plow, the Great Bear is the sickle. I suppose it doesn't like a sickle. Who owns a house with that description? Now this is Frodo's house in Crick Hollow. The one who never actually gets to live in properly because obviously he has to leave after having a had a bath. He does one night, has a bath off he goes. Of the three village archit. Now the reason why you could have got that is check wood archit, see? That's how that's that particular village. The common tongue name for almond soil is weather top. Which place means black pit in Elvish tongue? That's Moria. Bad luck if you said Mordo, which is sort of the same route, but they actually do say it means black pit. That's a quote from the book. Where does Prince Imrahil live? He's one of the captains of Gondor. So he lives in Gondor, but extra kudos if you said dol Amroth. So that's where he lives. Which place was unnaturally silent? That's Holin. Holin is the place where the birds fly over. Before they go to Moria, it's where they're trying to find a way across the mountains. And it's where that sort of area is where Caleb Rimbore lives. Who's going to be one of the main characters in the cumbersome series? What's the name of the river in Lorin? That's Nimrodel. And the new name for the lands are the brown lands. They actually appear on the map if you look, it's quite a big name. The brown lands are sort of above the dead marshes, above that bit. And from where does Proto-Stetsl? The Grey Havens. So there you go. See how well you did. Keep your own little tally. Get ready for round three. There'll be 10 questions. So please don't press return, because we can't start it again, because people already halfway through. And Carrie's saying that round was dismal for you. Well, you just have to go read the book again. That's what's going to happen after this, isn't it? I wonder how many of these I could, I mean, setting the questions is different from actually answering them. I wonder, I should have tested, you know, if you could test yourself. I reckon I probably would have got about seven out of those, seven out of ten of those. Okay, round three objects. There's an interesting chat going on about Steve saying he thinks that Rivendale might have been a bit cold and damp due to the waterfalls. True. Yeah, I did worry about breezes. Didn't have many doors or windows, did they? Okay, round three is about objects. Number one, who has a hatchet when they start the journey from the shower? You've got a one in four chance of getting this right. So if you're thinking amongst the hobbits, who has the hatchet? Okay, Mary pays 12 silver pennies for build the pony. But how many pennies is a pony normally in Bri? It sounds like one of those maths questions you might have got at school. He does say to the inkeeper or the inkeeper tells him that he's paying so many more times than the going rate. So you've got to work out if he's paying two times, three times, four times the going rate and so on. One in four chance. Just how mean was Bill Ferney? Okay, there's an artifact mentioned, a brooch set with blue stones, many shaded like flax flowers or the wings of blue butterflies. Where is this found? Give you a clue, it's in fellowship with the ring. Quite early on. And it appears briefly, but where is it? We also, number four, we're still in fellowship. Who has a silver studded flask of leather and offers everyone a drink? Now this is our give you a clue here. It's a character who doesn't appear in the film. But he or she arrives at a very good moment for them with his or her flask. Okay, do you know your spells? Number five, what does Gandalf Kanja with the words now and Eddryeth Armen? Does he Kanja fire? An entrance? Or light? What's the main purpose of that spell? He doesn't do that many spells. If you think about it, but that's one of them. Number six, how many members of the fellowship don't wear boots? Who doesn't wear boots? So number seven, in lorian, Frodo and Mars, the yellow Eleanor, and the pale, another kind of flower. What's the name of the other flower in lorian? Is it mornye, simbumuna, or nifradil? I'm tough, aren't I? Very, very tough. Number eight, number eight, this is where my life has been enriched by asking you all this question, because this is one I would get wrong, okay? Galadriel gives each member of the fellowship a personal gift in addition to their clothes. Arrigan gets a silver brooch with a green stone. What shape is the brooch? Is it an eagle, a star, or a flower? Who made Arrigan's sword and doerl? Was it Kela Brimble, Fiano, Telcha, or Navi? All famous smiths in the world of middle earth. And finally, which of these, in addition to an iron cap, does Gimli take from the armory at Meduzeld? Again, we're doing the book, not the film. Does he take a coat of rings? Does he take shining male? Does he take a shield? Or does he take nothing else, just the cap? Okay, you've got 30 seconds to go on that. I'll thank you Susanna, thank you for liking my spell casting, channeling my inner in McKellen. So we are about to close down number three. As I promise, we are going to go through this quite quickly, not hold you up too much. How did you find that round? Okay, send in your answers. Well, I drink my cup of tea. Okay, let's find out how you did. Karen's saying she still gets stumped. I know this is a thing of why there's always more to see in her, not to say Harry Potter, always more to see in Lord of the Rings. The other thing I did used to do and quizzes on is Harry Potter, my kids. And I've got quite expert on that with them, you know, being able to name all the dark arts teachers and things. I couldn't do that anymore. Okay, right. So who has a hatchet when they start the journey? Believe it or not, it's Frodo. I bet most of you put Sam. It's Frodo. So who knew? Mary pays 12 silver pennies. I think that most of you got this right. It was four. So it was three times. Bill is three times more than his worth, but of course, he's worth more than that, really, because it's Bill. Where is this brooch? Well, the brooch is one of the things found in the Barrow mound. And Tom Bombardill picks it up and talks about it, saying he remembers the lady who wore it and he says he will take it home to Goldbury. So that's when it appears. It just comes into the story and leaves again. So if you said Barrow or mound or the downs, anything like that, give yourself a mark. Who has a silver studded flash? That's Glorfindel, of course, who is the one who comes and rescues them, not in the film, but Glorfindel, a very old elf lord. What does Gandalf conjure? It's fire. It's not the, there's a different spell for light, slightly different, and it's not an entrance. So it's fire. It's when they're up on the mountain trying to get over Coradras and they're all shivering in the snow. And he says he'll summon that flame. That's what he does. Okay, how many members of the fellowship don't wear boots? Well, obviously not the hobbits, but it's also mentioned in that bit on the mountain in the snow that Legolas wears shoes. So forget what the wardrobe mistress on Lord the Rings of Films decided. So there's five people who don't wear boots. In lorian. Yeah, most of you got this right. The right answer is Nifredil. Mournier is just another Elvish word. Symbol Moona is other flowers on the Rohan burial loans. So that's where you have heard that before. Nifredil is the right one. Yeah, no, this is the the collateral brooch one. Now this is if there was only one thing you go away enriched by in this hour, it's this, it's an eagle, folks. I was so shocked when I saw that. I thought I'd never thought of that looking like an eagle. I would have said star too, because they talk about it being like a star on his brow. It's an eagle. So there you go. Who made Aragorn sword? It was Telchar in the depths of time. And number 10, most of you got this right. He already has his own male. He takes a shield. It's a shield with the white horse on it. Not sure it's mentioned again. Tell me if you, you know, maybe one of those things that kind of comes and goes in the story. But that's what's on his shield. Okay. Yeah, I carry saying she had a star shape in her head too. And I think that everybody's going to, I think we might get a clear win around this one, because there'll be somebody in there who's getting all the answers right. Who's keeping very quiet? Get ready for round four. Off we go. Again, 10 questions. And the theme for this one is messages, dreams and visions. Okay, there's lots of dreams mentioned in Lord of the Rings. Have you noticed that? And Mary gets his dream recorded when they're all at Tom Bombardill's house. Does he dream of drowning, of being chased by wolves, of scratching willow twigs, or of Gandalf standing at the top of a tower? I'll tell you that the only one in the house who doesn't dream is Sam. He's told, we're told he's slept like a log. But the others all have dreams. So which one is Mary's dream? Question number two, who sees the hints of the scouring of the shire in Galadriel's mirror? He sees trees being cut down. Who sees that? Okay, so moving on. Number three, Gandalf, one, he's returned from, well, sort of death, I suppose, or at least the Balrog, brings messages from Galadriel to Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas. This is in two towers. Of what does Galadriel tell the elf to beware? She's got various messages for them. And Legolas, she's quite clear that he should be aware of something. What is it? Question number four, worm tongue, Gimli Gandalf, a nickname, late spell. What does it mean? Does it mean ill news, trouble maker, warbringer, or bad counsellor? If you have done any old English, this will be an easy one for you. I'm sure you're all graduates of Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic, aren't you? Question number five, so I'm going towards the other end of the book now. We're in return of the king. What does Sam see about the effl duath? That's the mountains in Mordor. That remind him that the shadow is only a small and passing thing. From my favourite bits of book and our Gandalf for that day, pictured out as well. Does he see the moon? A light at the top of a tower? The sunset, or a star? Okay, we're still sticking with Sam. When does Sam say that all his wishes have come true? Is it when Frodo wakes up after being rescued? When Rosie Cotton accepts Sam's proposal? When Sam hears the song by the minister of Gondor? Or when Frodo and Sam reunite with Mary and Pippin? He says, all my dreams have come true. A little sidebar here. When I hear that, I've got the BBC play version of this in my head. And the guy who played Sam in that version is Bill Maye, who I find really hard to connect with Sam, you know, Bill Maye of Love Actually Fame. But there you go, that's one of his early voice roles. Number seven, where is the black stone that the dead must go to when someone by Aragorn to redeem their broken oaths? So in the book, when he goes to get the army to help him, the army of the dead, he summons them to a particular stone. So where is it? Is it in the paths of the dead? Is it in Dunne Harrow? Is it in Amondin? Or is it in Erich? The black stone of filling the black? Okay, I'm hoping everyone gets this one. Number eight, who has a prophecy told about him that he cannot be killed by a man? Is it the Lord of the Nazgul, Sauron, Sauraman? Or the Balrog? Number nine, who says they're able to fill the sun even when it is hidden? Is that something that Galadriel says? Or Gollum? Or Ganbury Gan? Or Goalbag? I went with G's there, as you can see. Number ten, how many pelantia or seeing stones were brought to Middle-Earth? Gandalf sings a little ditty that pipping here. Was it three? Was it seven? Was it nine? Favorite talking numbers? Three, seven or nine. Round four is about to end. So please put in your answers now. Okay, right, we're going to go and do the answers now. I will reveal the messages. Last call for round four, press return. Okay, let's move on to giving the answers for those. Don't forget to keep a little tally of how many you're getting right. Okay, so what does he dream? Yes, most of you got that right, he dreams of drowning. Correct. Who sees the scaring of the shire in Galadriel's mirror? It's Sam. In the film, they cut it down to being just Frodo, but it's actually Sam who sees that. Gandalf brings the message. Galadriel tells Legolas to be aware of the sea, because it will fill him with a longing to go to the undying lands. Yeah, most of you got number four right. Lace Bell Beans ill news. What does Sam see? In the sky, it's a star, and again, most of you got that right? When does Sam say all his wishes have come true? Again, most of you got that right. It's when he hears the song sung by the minstrel, which I thought was quite funny. It's not when all the other things happen, but that links back to a bit he's saying about he wants to hear his song when they're on the steps going up to Keir Fungal. Whereas the Blackstone Erich is the right answer, they have to do this breakneck ride to Erich to be there by a certain time. Again, this is where the books better than the films. Yes, everybody said, Lord of the Nazgol, well done. Who says they would fill the song where it's hidden? Ganburi Gan. He is again a lovely little character who doesn't appear in the films. He's one of the wild men who help the Rohan arrive in time to siege at Ministerus. How many plans here are there? Yes, most of you got that right. Seven. So correct. Okay. Right, someone's saying that felt easier. There was more multiple choice, that's why. Okay, the last one is history, because we all know how deep the history is of Middle-earth, and don't forget, there's lots of prizes up for grabs at the end. Great prizes, which we'll tell you about when we're counting the scores. So we're going to start now, and this is history. Back in the Shire, when the four hobbits leave, four old fatty boulders left behind, and the Blackriders attack, he raises the alarm, and there's a little bit that Tolkien writes about, which event calls the home call of Buckland to be last used a hundred years ago. So they've had a very peaceful time, but a hundred years ago something happened. Was it a sighting of a troll on the moors? An invasion of trees from the Old Forest, wolves crossing the river in winter, or a fire at Brandyback Hall. Number two, which hero related to Elrond does Bilbo sing about in Rivendell? I thought this was fair to ask, because there's quite a conversation between Bilbo and Aragorn about this, preparing this song. So, and he's an important character in the Silmarillion. And again, approximate spellings will be fine. Question number three, the book found in the chamber of Mozabal, that's the sort of the manuscript that's been hacked around. We hear the oin, who's one of the dwarves from the Hobbit. We hear how he died. Was he slain by an orc arrow? Was he killed defending the bridge? Or was he taken by the watcher in the water? That's that octopacy thingy. It's called the watcher in the water. Who does Gandalf call the oldest living thing that still walks upon the sun, upon this middle earth? Now, I think that there may be some inconsistency in Tolkien here, but this is the person, the living thing that Gandalf calls this. And we can discuss this afterwards. Number five, how many times have the red leaves fallen in Merkwood since the Golden Hall was built in Meduseld? 300 years, 500 years, 800 years, for a thousand years. It's one of Legolas' ways of telling the passing of time. Number six, Heragram is an ancient blade, but who wields it? It's one of the named swords in Norderings. Whose sword is it? Number seven, whose name means starlight in Elven tongue, according to Frodo? It is an elf. I'll let you know that much. So, and an elf in history, not one of the current generation. Okay, number eight, which nation built the Tower of Kiris Ungl? That's the Tower where Frodo is taking captive. Was it built by Gondor, Mordor, or Umbar? Okay, I dipped into the appendices. I'm enjoying this, you can tell, putting you through all this torture. Who's daughter? Does Faramir the first of the Shire? Okay, that's important. Marry. Faramir, who's going to call their son Faramir, who lives in the Shire? And whose daughter does that person marry? So, think about that. You can work it out if you know your appendices. And number ten, let's finish with death. Whose beds are set against King Alessar, that's Aragorn, at his passing. So, is it Mary and Pippin? Gimli and Legolas, or Arwen and Eldarion, that's the son. So, who's alongside him when he's passing? Okay, we're about to close this round, so we don't overrun by too much. We're going to whisk our way through the answers and find out who we're going to crown champion. Okay, so, please, whatever you've done, it doesn't matter if you haven't answered all of them, just sending your answers now so that we can give the rest of the quiz question answers. Okay, I think we're going to close that down now. You're carrying so much stuff. Yeah, but you're learning a lot, aren't you? Yeah, this isn't the, you know, the socky old pub quiz for they only ask about the films. This is the real hards core stuff here. Okay, right. The answer to question one, most of you got this right. Yes, it's wolves crossing the frozen river in winter. The hero that Bilbo thinks about is Earendil, the one who's got the Silmaril and becomes a star. The book says, the book of Mazar Bull in that chamber says that Poroid Oyn was taken by the watcher in the water, Dr. Pussy thing. Who does Gandalf call the oldest living thing? Well, it's trebid. Now, you're going to say, but I thought that Tom Bombadil was eldest, because that's what Elrond says. Maybe somebody knows how to reconcile these two things, but Gandalf actually says, maybe it's the thing as opposed to person. The oldest living thing that still walks is trebid. So there you go. How many times have the red leaves fallen? Well, most of you got this right. It's 500 years, which for legulasses, you know, like a couple of years ago, plus. That new big book called The Nature of Middle-earth that came out last year that has a lot about how Tolkien worked out, how Elft time, Talies with Human Time if you're interested. It's got tables of how to work it all out. It ends up that they're pregnant if they're having a child for about nine years, which seems more than an elephant. I wouldn't fancy that if you got morning sickness as a elf mother. Herogrim, that is Theodin Sword. If you say King of Rohan, that's fine because presumably it's some kind of, you know, top king sword. Whose name means Starlight in Elven Tong? That's Gil Gallad. So Gil Gallad was an Elven King, that one. We've got a few people saying that Ent should have rights. Absolutely. They're not a thing. Quite right to Gandalf. Go back and to PC school. Which nation built the Tower of Curious Angle? Most of you got this right. It's Gondor. It's a really interesting part of Lord of the Rings. The idea that all these wonderful buildings that have become sort of made horrible by Mordor were actually originally from the heyday of Gondor. It's a great bit of the history. It gives it also a feeling of very similitude. Number nine, okay. I put these in. These are really self-indulgent. I just love these facts. Faramid I is Pippin's son. And he marries Sam's daughter, who's called Goldilocks. Which isn't such a good name, I don't think. But anyway, Goldilocks. So there's a kind of next generation Hobbit thing going on there. Mary doesn't seem to get married. He's the bachelor. And of course Frodo's already gone. So it was Sam. Whose beds are beside King Alessa? This is such a super cute answer. And most of you got it right. Which is it's Mary and Pippin. And of course they end up being buried alongside him in the place where the kings of Gondor are laid. Which I think is really sweet. And I hadn't noticed until I was trawling the appendices for interesting questions. Okay, so that was round five. Now, we've got a team checking. But if you want to tally up how many you think you've got and put it in the chat, if you think you've scored quite highly, it will help them find you. So, I'll count down. If you think you've got 50, put your hand in the, put your score up. And I'll count down. If you've got in the 40s, put your score in the chat. Nobody got in the 40s. I've made it really difficult, haven't I? Yeah, Karen's saying not even close. Yeah, I didn't really expect anyone to get 50. If you've got in the 30s, put your answer in the chat. Your name in the chat. And they'll know to check your answers first. Karen's saying she says she got 30. That sounds like a good score, Karen. Anybody? Oh, Emily, 34. Excellent. Anybody else? Someone got minus four. No. Beverly, maybe 40, 31. And Rainbow missed the first round, but she got 31. Well, that sounds like you could have been in there, couldn't you? Anyway, so whilst we're just having, I've got a team who are checking the answers, we're going to do the top three placings. And I want to show you what they're going to be getting because you can't actually buy these. So I don't know if my my FF14 Brian is able to show me, put it on the, the share of the screen. Yeah. Oh, no, that's the Miss Makers podcast page, Brian. There we go. And we're doing, we're building up merchandise with illustrations on it from illustrators of books. And this first one I've got in the shop is by a great friend of the Centre called Pete Williamson. And he did his wonderful dragon design. So the top team will get I dream of dragons and it'll sort of cluster of things around that. You can buy them too. There's a version of this that's mother of dragons as well. If you're a game of thrones fan, I thought I'd put that up there for Mother's Day, which has just gone. So that's rather lovely. I'm going to build this up over time with more illustrators with more designs. So if you've got an illustrator that you know and you think it'd be nice to add it to our little gallery, do let me know. Because this is a long-term project. There you are, that's all the other stuff. And you can get t-shirts like this. Because we are going to be doing other readathons. So there's this design, which is the readathon one. Oh yeah, and Brian Shashengar's mugs. Phone cases, you know, usual stuff. Anyway, so we have fun on our shops, dreaming up products. If there's anything you want, let us know because we'll see if we can source it. Okay, so just while we're looking for the winners, just want to ask, I'm just going to ask people who took part in the readathon to tell us how they got on. We've spoken to someone already, but Kerry, do you want to come back on and tell us about your experience of actually leading the and commenting on the readathon? There she is. Off you go. Tell us about what you enjoyed most about taking part in the readathon. I really enjoyed everybody's posts and reading those every day. There are so many things I enjoyed about the readathon. It's going to be hard to pin down one thing in particular, but I made a couple of friends along the way. And I think it was beautiful to see what everybody wrote about their favorite chapters. And I started following along with the audiobook during the readathon so that I could keep up. And there were parts of the book that, as I heard them read, really brought a new perspective like having pity for Gollum when they meet up with Gollum and it's sort of along the journey before they get to Eiffelian, but they're really seeing just how sad he is. And hearing that read out loud really drove home how pitiful his character is. And another chapter that really made me cry, I wasn't expecting to, was hearing everyone escaping the bridge of Kazadoum and and coming out of that without Gandalf. And when the audiobook gave out the line of everyone being overcome with grief, I joined right along with them. There were several bits in it which I choke up at. That one definitely. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other bit that makes me choke up is when Frodo says that he saved the shab but not for him, not for me, you know. Oh gosh. The entire last chapter is almost just an entire choke up for me with that. I still, to this day, I can't read the last words without getting teary. Yeah. First lovely, Kelly. Thank you. I just see how we doing on, let me know folks who are working behind the scenes, if you've got a winner, just so I know, but let's talk to Karen who got 30 in the quiz. So she's very well in the quiz. Karen, same thing for you. What did you like most about the readathon? I think just getting to do a really good deep dive with some of the participants. I posted a few questions about the chapter, just little points that I'd picked up on, like where we had Strider, where he kind of comes into his own and he says that he belongs to both Gondor and the North and it's the first kind of inkling where you get to see that he's being what he's meant to be as opposed to just one of one of the sides of him. So I was posting lots of little questions like that of what does that mean for you? Like what kind of thing are you? Are you just an office worker? Are you also an artist? And are you also a reader and all these things? So getting to be a little bit more of a deep dive and see how things work was really nice? It led to a lot of people just contacting me just in my DMs about it as well. So we ended up having conversations about how I connect through to not even with my own chapter, but just how things connect through to the Silmarillion. So there was one chapter we were talking about for quite a while, where you have the scene where Gimli is given the three hairs from the head of Gimli, and it relates back to the whole fable from the Silmarillion where they're trying to get these hairs to do bad deeds. And then... Oh gosh, I didn't know that. That's fascinating. It's like a like this old law that obviously Legolas would have grown up hearing these stories about how they wanted the hair to make these some rolls and you know have some awesome power that could be used to bad. And that he doesn't get them, like he she just doesn't give them to him because Galadriel can see into his heart and his soul that he's not intending that to be a good thing. And that's when he when Gimli requests one hair and she gives him three, it's that little kind of like heartwarming scene where he's told Legolas this and Legolas is like oh I can trust you, we can be friends, you know I never really trusted anyone like Gimli before and because Galadriel does now he can because he trusts her to the end of time. And some little things like that where you get to have a really deep dive into just the the tiny minutiae of like parts of what happens in the book. Yeah. Just seeing how it relates across the law was really fascinating for me so I got to have a lot more interesting conversation out of it, not just from hosting but in the background too. That's exactly what I hope it happens. That's lovely to hear. We've got Will and Steve Ruddock now. Will and Steve Ruddock are you related to each other or are you just people sharing the same surname? Let's find out. Are you still with us? We are very much related. Will is my son and we both participated in the Readathon and had many many great offline conversations about it thanks to the Readathon. Fantastic. One thing. That's really nice to hear. Did you have a favorite interaction that you that you remember? I've actually got the results by the way everybody so we're just here Will and Steve's favorite chapters. I always have loved the scouring of the Shire. The next to the last chapter, the heroic quest is complete and now the Hobbits get home and they've got to toss out the ruffians and clean up the garbage. I really like that nitty gritty dose of reality at the end of the at the end of the mythic story. Yeah and also you see the fact that because there is no Gandalf and there's no arrogant that how Mary and Pippin and Sam and Frodo all just really stand forward and they're just able to cope with it all. They've grown up, they've matured. That's what they were trained for as Gandalf tells him before he leaves. I compliment you and your team on this. I thought that generally when I have read Lord of the Rings, I have rushed through it in about a week and this pace of going a chapter a day was very healthy for me. I think it enabled me to get a lot more out of it and all of the comments from the participants on a daily basis favorite quotes and such. I really did feel like I was able to read it with fresh eyes for the first time in a long time. Yes and so this is the right moment I think to thank everybody who well first of all thank you all the Gandalf's who led us for a day and for your very thoughtful comments and what you put into that. Also a big thanks to the behind the scenes team particularly Kirsten and her team they're based in South Africa and they were the people putting together. Each day had a different social media asset or are you calling them but basically a different relevant sort of image behind it. So if you scroll back through Instagram or Facebook you will find these are there still. They haven't been taken down so if you want to go back and check in any of your favorite chapters and see what people said it's still there for you to to find. So thank you to everyone for putting all that work into it. Before I announce the winners I just want to say is that we so enjoy doing this that we think in the autumn we'll do another readathon but we're trying to decide what to do. We're going to be asking everybody on social media for their views but just so you can have a think about it between now and then is that we're thinking of the choice between going right in and doing like the Silmarillion. That's super hardcore. I'm going to do a quiz on that one because I wouldn't get any of the questions right. Or should we have like a Christmas with the Hobbit? Or should we go sideways and start on the Chronicles of Narnia and have a shorter readathon on the line in the which and the wardrobe. So we're going to be asking that probably in the sort of poll format across the various social media platforms to find out what you want to do. It'll be similar as what we just done so you can join in look out for that. Okay, right let's tell you the scores now the scores have disappeared up the where have they gone. There we go. I've just found the scores. Okay, right so in reverse order winner of a mug is Carolyn Woodle who scored 34 so well done Carolyn. In second place with a very respectable 35 is Emily Cunio well done Emily that is brilliant but quite astonishingly we have somebody in the forties our outright winner is Sophie Beverly who scored 42 which is a very hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy scores as very pleasing. These scores have been verified behind the scenes by my team because they've been able to see what you've put in. So well done those three women brilliance you're fantastic. We need your details so we can send you your prize. So please can you send a message to I think probably to me or to Brian Boyd on the if you do the sort of look down at the direct message option so that we can contact you and send you your prize. If you are part of a team Sophie or Emily or Carolyn let's know because obviously that changes how we how we send the prize. But anyway I hope you all enjoyed that. Let me just check the messages at the end. People are saying they want the quiz. Yeah okay if you want the quiz when I close this down I won't see the chat anymore so I'll lose your contacts. Could you contact me on the Facebook page or on our website which is also centerofamsea.org and I'll be able to email it to you send it as an attachment you know that kind of thing because I put a lot of work into this so I might as well spread it out there and you can talk to your friends with the quiz and you'll seem really you know as I you know your Lord of the Rings. So people are saying what they think they oh look all the Narnia books yeah I'm saying 42 congratulations. Yeah is Sophie still with us? Sophie are you there? Oh winner are you still with us? Do you want to tell us how brilliant you are? She's been very nice. She can't chat out loud that's all right. So Emily can you say you were also very well done. How many times have you read Lord of the Rings? How many times have you read Lord of the Rings? Emily probably about 15 okay well you have remembered it extremely well. I felt like I was doing horribly. Yeah well I wasn't quite sure how to pitch it. I didn't want to make it too easy because I thought then we're all in it. I wanted to sort of make you feel as though you really had earned your your score at the end and who else? So Carolyn you also were among our winners. Are you there? You're going to she's on mute so maybe she can't talk either I don't know but congratulations to her too. Okay everybody um I will release you all back to your Sundays either the end of your days or whatever um thank you very much for coming and keep in touch with us for the next readathon or event. Oh I should mention before you will go if you want to come and celebrate Frodo and Bilbo's birthday with us in Oxford. We do have a in-person course running at Mordeling College, the most beautiful college in Oxford. So come and walk and write in the shares with us and you can find the link for that on our website. It'd be lovely to see you there come and join the others who already signed up for that course. Okay good night everybody. 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